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Re:Lets talk about blockchains by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:38PM (#31196459)
Totally disagree. The thing that was really novel about blockchain was its distributed consensus mechanism, even in the face of bad actors. Without that, just having, say, a cryptographically signed list of transactions really isn't new.
Re:Lets talk about blockchains by api on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:44PM (#31196531)
The novel thing was a consensus mechanism that is itself permissionless in the sense that anyone can contribute to it. There is no procedure for becoming whitelisted to mine. You just mine.

If there were such a permission scheme, such as in Facebook's now likely defunct cryptocurrency idea, you would not need proof of work. You'd just have a list of authorized signers of new blocks and if someone does something bad you kick them off the list. This is basically how the web PKI system works with browser certificate whitelists.

Lots of cryptocurrency critics over-argue their case by denying that this was a novel innovation, but yes it was novel. It has big downsides but it works. Personally my big issue with crypto other than the energy waste is that the cryptocurrency ecosystem itself is toxic and full of scams and other trash.

Re:Lets talk about blockchains by ButtSpark69 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @04:26PM (#31197775)
"You'd just have a list of authorized signers of new blocks and if someone does something bad you kick them off the list."

Are you saying that the incentives provided for successfully mining a block in crypto's isn't necessary to their security? I can't think of a single expert that agrees, or an example in the space of that working. Block reward is typically thought of as a tradeoff between security and inflation.

Re:Lets talk about blockchains by fwip on Thursday April 28, 2022 @07:16PM (#31199417)
Yeah.
Re:Lets talk about blockchains by aforwardslash on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:47AM (#31201848)
A distributed consensus mechanism really isn't new, either. In fact, some mechanisms are as old as merkle trees. And even within the realm of consensus mechanisms, using BFT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_fault) to achieve consensus is basically an 80's technology with a new spin on it. BFT isn't magical and brings its own set of problems - the most common is the relative simplicity of "majority" attacks.