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Re:SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in y... by icedchai on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:15PM (#31183703)
Unless there's a vulnerability in something internet facing, you can go a very long time without updating anything. So, yes, it doesn't matter... except when it does. I've logged into production systems with multi year uptimes, with updates that haven't been applied in just as long.

Many orgs have a if it's not broke, don't fix it policy. Applying needless updates are just as likely to screw something up.

Re:SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in y... by greedo on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:52PM (#31184188)
Many orgs get breached (or have no way to detect if they've been breached).

It depends on both your industry and your risk tolerance. We generally apply every security patch that comes along for RHEL. Application patching is different, it depends on the severity and what the vendor will support. If we can't patch, we try to apply compensating controls to mitigate the risk.

And the pride we all used to have with long uptimes is really a poor badge of courage. It shows a misplaced trust in either your security, or the threat model you face.

OS security patches (at least for RHEL) pose little risk of breaking applications. In the last 15 years, I've never once had to roll back a security patch from RH.

Re:SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in y... by db48x on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:38AM (#31189111)
Security patches can be applied even to the kernel without restarting anything though, so having a high uptime is not mutually exclusive with staying up to date. Of course, you do have to pay extra for live patching.
Re:SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in y... by greedo on Thursday April 28, 2022 @09:22AM (#31192128)
I'm still leery of ksplice etc. And the cost is a factor too.
Re:SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in y... by db48x on Thursday April 28, 2022 @05:40PM (#31198560)
/me nods, but it is so very _very_ convenient.