No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “standby” devices

Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by nybble41 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @11:39AM (#31181350)

If you live in a climate where it's too cold for heat pumps to function, and rely on electrical (resistive) heating instead, the "waste" heat from the incandescent bulbs offsets the power needed for heating almost 1:1. Replacing those with LED bulbs wouldn't reduce your power requirements at all (you'd just run the heaters more) and the LEB bulbs require more energy and exotic materials to manufacture.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by brnt on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:49PM (#31182442)

Is there such a thing as too cold for heat pumps though? They drop in efficiency, sure, but still beat resistive heating. Modern ones are still going to be 300% efficient down to -20C or so. With a resistive pre heater I don't see how they'll ever not be more efficient than resistive heating.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by BizarroLand on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:59PM (#31183485)

My heat pump is a Trane heat pump from 2018 and it goes into emergency heat mode when the temps are below 36, which is off and on for most of the winter. I wonder if I should have it serviced to make sure it's working correctly.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by bcrosby95 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:43PM (#31184074)

It's partially a function of your heating demands. My sister's emergency heat mode would run all the time in her town house. But she installed a giant insulating curtain over one of her leaky sliders and now it almost never needs to run.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by BizarroLand on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:25PM (#31208118)

That seems more like she improved her insulation, decreasing her heating needs rather than addressing the temperature cutoff for a heat pump.

I still like the heat pump because in the summer my power bill for cooling a 2600 sq ft home is about $50/month, and in the winter I do have a wood burning stove that I can run to heat the house when the temps are below 36. That and recirc mode on the fan unit can keep my power bills to a minimum.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by nybble41 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @04:13PM (#31185146)

A heat pump with a sufficiently powerful resistive preheater will be at least as energy-efficient in operation as the resistive heater alone, but it's also much more complex, with a correspondingly higher up-front cost and ongoing maintenance requirements. A resistive heater can consist of little more than a solid-state heating element, a blower fan, and a mechanical thermostat; radiative heaters can even dispense with the fan, which is the least reliable part of the system. A heat pump, by contrast, additionally involves pumps, heat exchangers, and volatile fluids under pressure, generally under the management of some moderately complex logic.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by brnt on Thursday April 28, 2022 @05:36AM (#31190473)

Naturally a heat pump is more complex and thus more maintenance intensive, but it's worth the investment/cost in energy savings in any calculation I've seen (they do tend to require more maintenance).

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by nybble41 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @10:58AM (#31193257)

Cost is one factor, but if you live in, say, rural North Dakota, you may not be able to afford the risk that your main source of heat breaks down in the middle of a blizzard and you can't get anyone in to service it for several days… or weeks. Don't discount the value of predictable reliability.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by outworlder on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:30PM (#31183058)

> If you live in a climate where it's too cold for heat pumps to function

Year round? So you mean the polar regions? Because they can work even at -10F. Efficiency is reduced, but they can work. Crappy ones will cutoff earlier though. If you are not in one of the planet's poles, we have seasons so it's better to use LEDs for at least 3/4 of the time (maybe more as even northern latitudes only have a few really severe winter days).

Modern LED lamps are tiny and use very little material. Incandescent bulbs are no longer considered 'exotic' because of how old the tech is, but tungsten was a very exotic material at some point.

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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by fencepost on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:05PM (#31183560)

If you live in a climate where it's too cold for heat pumps to function, and rely on electrical (resistive) heating instead

That's the point where I'd strongly consider cryptocurrency mining.

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