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Re:AI can't tell you it's lying if it thinks it's telling th... by Brian_K_White on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:26PM (#31172011)
I thought that was always true of any ai? You only know the input data, weights, and starting conditions/code, but know nothing about the actual workings once started.

You can only audit that by duplicating the results, corroboration, and consensus, like with scientific research. IE, other ais doing the same job but using other code and run by other people, do they produce the same output, or the same pattern of output.

I'm not in ml/ai so I'm not stating that as something I know, just something I always assumed.

I would be stunned if you said that people actually thought they could audit ai inner workings after kick-off.

Re:AI can't tell you it's lying if it thinks it's telling th... by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:55PM (#31172367)
Spot-testing usually gives you a representative picture of what the ML model will produce in general. Of course there can always be outliers (and usually there are), but they are just that, outliers, and they can’t be systematically exploited by an attacker with normal-looking inputs. The present paper however basically shows that those outliers can be systematically and deliberately spread throughout input space in such a way that any given input can be slightly tweaked by the attacker (in ways that the input still looks unsuspicious) to get the desired “lying” output, without that fact being detectable either by spot-checking or any other practically feasible analysis on the model. The fact that this is possible to do in such a general fashion (any given model can be modified to contain such a backdoor) is a new finding.
Re:AI can't tell you it's lying if it thinks it's telling th... by Brian_K_White on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:29AM (#31203815)
That is interesting. Thank you.