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Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by londons_explore on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:19AM (#31164883)
> rethink the entire "crowd-sourced rating" thing

The real fix is to not have a single global rating for a product, but instead have 'personal ratings'. Ie. Every product rating I see is either a rating I have given, or Amazon's best prediction of the rating I would give if I had bought that product.

Such predictions are inherently hard to game, since if you start artificially rating your friends products highly, then the system will show high ratings only for your friends products to you.

Then they can do things like "I see you bought this product thinking it would be 4 stars, but you actually gave it 2 stars. We apologize for getting it wrong this time - have a refund of half the purchase price". That gives the AI team plenty of financial motivation to get the ratings correct.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by Closi on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:44AM (#31165008)
The issue with your proposed model is that it assumes Amazon is a neutral actor who are attempting to accurately predict what you would like.

In reality, Amazon are incentivized to sell you more stuff, so allowing them to calculate ratings through some mysterious black box would introduce perverse incentives (i.e. Amazon is incentivized to sell more higher-margin stuff - would they be more tempted to inflate a product that is actually a '4 star' to a '5 star' to close the deal? Also how can we be sure that their black-box algorithm doesn't generally inflate Fire tablets and deflate iPads? This can happen even if the algorithm is entirely open).

Secondly, would probably reduce trust in the product rating system (as it will be necessarily opaque and hard to understand compared to the existing approach of averaging the reviews).

Amazon won't even fix basic review gaming - not because they can't (otherwise they would have acquired Fakespot) - but presumably because fake reviews help with sales.

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by rgavuliak on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:08AM (#31166007)
You say Amazon is incentivized to sell you more stuff, but this case clearly says they care more about objective ratings than about sales :)
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by Closi on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:47AM (#31166797)
I don't think that logically follows :)

If Amazon had a ratings black box, they would not be incentivised to be fair with it.

But a simple-to-understand ratings system may help sales more than an untrustworthy-black-box calculated rating (particularly considering reviews are about trust).

Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by nisegami on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:58AM (#31166911)
I feel like the returns are the problem here.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by Fnoord on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:01PM (#31172445)
In a healthy free market a competitor to Amazon might fix the problem and grab serious marketshare in the process. I have some hope. Not much though, due to the sheer size of the behemoth.
Re:Tell HN: Amazon.com is limiting purchases of Audio CDs to... by izzygonzalez on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:44AM (#31165009)
Criticker does the rating prediction thing really well.