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Re:Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale by olliej on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:05PM (#31162467)
It is binary, the question is:

Should some content be censored?

That is a yes/no question.

I gave extremes of what content means, so that hopefully everyone would agree that some content should be censored. A free speech absolutist might say that the answer is no, but I suspect the overwhelming majority of people could find something above that they agree should be censored.

My reason for being so aggressive here is because I am sick of the “anti-censor” brigade claiming that they’re simply fighting for all free speech. What I want people to acknowledge is that they do there is simply that there’s just been a bunch of things censored that they want to be able to say.

We can argue about what that content is, but everyone here knows that different groups fundamentally disagree about a number of those things that are currently not allowed on Twitter. Personally I look at the things Twitter let’s you report, and which of those things are actually not allowed - many of the report pathways simply say “this is allowed, you can simply block this person” - the only things that I have actually ever seen actually get removed are people fairly explicitly calling for violence, saying entire races, lgbt people, specific religions, etc are “diseases”, “paedophiles”, “should be locked up, executed, …”, etc

Based on that experience, and based on the conversation surrounding “anti-wokeness”, it sounds fairly clearly as though that is the content that people believe is being wrongly censored.

Everyone here has seen the many, many reports from conservatives claiming that they are being unfairly censored and subjected to discrimination and bias on social media platforms. I’ve also seen how in every single study it has been found that there is no such bias.

So again, we get to I know the kind of content that has been censored, and if people are making the claim that Twitter is censoring “too much” or that it needs to “protect free speech”, then that is the only content that is available to “uncensor”.

I would love to be proved wrong, but I do not see any evidence of what people feel is being unfairly censored, that I do not believe falls into the above categories.

Re:Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale by blagie on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:47AM (#31167411)
Some content should be censored. If I sneak a camera into your bedroom, and illegally film videos of you having sex with your husband, and post those on a revenge porn site, that's a good example of content universally agreed to be censored.

Even our former president doesn't fall into the bin of "explicitly calling for violence, saying entire races, lgbt people, specific religions, etc are 'diseases', 'paedophiles', 'should be locked up, executed, …'," I'm not going to debate whether he should have been censored; just that your argument is dishonest to an extreme. I'm not sure if that's intentional, but if not, you should re-examine your assumptions. You might be being dishonest with yourself.

My own opinion is that the best way to make Twitter fair (or academia, whose studies you cite) is to have broad representation representing the world. This includes:

- Middle Eastern Muslims

- African Americans

- African Africans (e.g. living in Africa)

- South Americans

- Indians

- Chinese

- Koreans

- Russians

- Folks in red states

- Etc.

Those refer to actual Koreans in Korea, not Korean Americans.

If something offends a majority of people, remove it. If it only offends Western liberal white San Francisco types, keep it. You'll find most of the world doesn't agree with anyone else on issues like gender relations.

Re:Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale by oceanplexian on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:37PM (#31172162)
The problem with this plan is the majority of the world didn't earn the right to be represented.

If you want to "fairly" represent the cultures of the world (by population), Twitter would be run by a majority of CCP Chinese, and anything that contradicts the party would ultimately be censored, and people who speak against the party would be immediately reported so they can be imprisoned.

Lots of cultures have attitudes towards human rights that are wrong. Some cultures are downright barbaric, and believe in things like stoning gays or executing women who commit adultery. They are incompatible with a free society. When their societies mature to the point where they can identify with our values, they can have a seat at the table.

Re:Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale by blagie on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @09:20AM (#31179502)
It's bigots like you why tech platforms needs reform.

The West has, for a long time, believed that other cultures were "downright barbaric" and needed to "mature to the point where they can identify with our values" before they could "have a seat at the table."

So long as bigots run tech companies, there will be a market serving the other 6 billion.

Re:Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale by AdrianAvtomat on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:25AM (#31164910)
All I see is a textbook reductio ad absurdum argument and aggressive demands to prove a negative. You've eliminated room for nuance in a discussion about a very complex and nuanced issue and displayed your bad faith for all to see. If you were shooting to portray the things you're advocating for in a haughty and intellectually bankrupt manner then you've succeeded admirably.