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Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by sytelus on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:15PM (#31160718)
Tesla and SpaceX are technology/engineering problems. This is what Musk is good at and can take huge risks to go after it. Twitter is NOT engineering or technology problem. The politics and policies are not Musk's forte, at least not yet. However, the more concerning part is his continued defragmentation of attention. Tesla is now genuinly falling behind with massive new competitions rising up. New models haven't been on market for a while. Previously announced models aren't getting delievered. Pace of growth of superchargers is not keeping up. There is a lot at stack where Musk can make huge difference.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by standyro on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:49PM (#31161148)
Beg to disagree, other manufacturers are catching up but Musk's playbook since Tesla's inception has been to consistently overpromise to the nth degree, so it's not anything new. Remember it took 2-3 years from the Model 3 announcement for them to ship in any meaningful number (2015 -> 2019). Same thing currently happening for the Cybertruck, Roadster, Semi, etc. Are they being too ambitious? Certainly. But it's not really anything new for Tesla. If anything having Musk's attention being frayed to various companies is probably a benefit, from my anecdotal personal interactions with top employees at SpaceX and Tesla. A lot of employees left because Elon is a great figurehead and product leader but an annoying micromanager.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by hsn915 on Monday April 25, 2022 @07:02PM (#31161956)
SpaceX is not just a technology problem. It's a sales and marketing problem. You're not selling to the mass market, you're selling to a government. You need to convince people with power to buy your product. If they don't, your business can't get off the ground.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by Breza on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:05AM (#31204085)
If you're interested in the realitiesof running a modern rocket company, I highly recommend the book "Financing the New Space Industry." It talks about marketing and other aspects.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by tomp on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:36AM (#31167993)
"We're 10x cheaper" is great marketing.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by ovao on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:53PM (#31163128)
It’s hard to overstate how difficult this is.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by presentation on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:26PM (#31161576)
Definitely not his forte, all his projects in urban planning have been so, so bad.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by joering2 on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:04PM (#31162823)
> Tesla is now genuinly falling behind with massive new competitions rising up.

I think you still being too generous. Other than Teslas which starting to get large amount of competitors who were late to EVs market, and SpaceX, which won't have many competitors because we still kind of figuring out what the heck we need to fly in space for (at this price points), Musk's basket is full of terrible failures.

The most shocking to me is a Boring company. What was promised - vast network of 3D tunnels where cars will move at 150mph speeds. Eventually trip from New York to Shanghai will take less than 2 hours.

What was delivered? A short tunnel with absolutely zero safety features, no ventilation, no exit points, build with state-of-the-art technology that turned out to be 3 times slower (per mile) than 30 years old boring machine that dug La-Manche, and Teslas are driving in that tunnel at... 35mph.

And Musk as we could all predicted came out in defense of all this tweeting that "We made the whole thing much simpler" - no elevator ramps, no high speeds, simple one-lane tunnel. And his base ate it up like some sort of genius he is that he invented moving traffic in one lane underground at bicycle-ride speed.

I say the same thing will happen to twitter. Initially it will be: - open algorithms (99.9% people would not understand what they looking at, at probably 80% of engineers wouldn't either - as an ex-Googler, I can tell you these algorithms are like rings inside a tree - hundreds of layers amassed on the top of each other over the years; - allow full free speech (so no control over even nastier language) - fight with bots.

Fast forward 5 years from now, the only people who understand the algorythms will be large bot farms and they will game the system to get throw to the top before anyone elses tweets. Just like there is reason Google is hiding their algo instead of f.e. patent those, they do that because they don't want smart people to game the system. Full free speech will bring even more maneuver to the site, and at the end of the day its impossible to remove bots. In China for 5 cents you can get someone's real ID. For 10 cents they provide you photo of ID with todays date. For 15 cents they will show up on any video call to provide they are who they are. So at the end of the day small trolls and insignificant bot farms will get wiped out, but the big players who make decent buck by trolling, they will continue undisputed. In a few years Musk will abandon Twitter to focus momentarily on another shiny object. "in fight for humanity freedom", like he couldn't do that when he proposed to solve world's hunger.

On the top of that, isn't his involvement in another project just a big fuck-you to everyone still waiting for:

- Solar City - roof shingles that will revolutionized electricity and actually will make you the homeowner to sell electricity to the power plant. - Tesla trucks and semi trucks - nothing new on that? - Boring company - no new progress after years of LV "loop". - Flying to Mars (many things changed now - from fancy trip sort of Cruise Trip with fun games etc, now the word is that many people will die during the trip and it wont be fun)

Seriously if all these projects would run full speed ahead on all cylinders, I would be happy Musk is taking over another project. But they are not. Most are terrible failures and Musk is still in hot water re: Solar City buyout. I'm starting to think all these projects were just temporary scams to boost Tesla stock value (which Musk succeed with 20 x P/E), and that's about it.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by fastball on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:22PM (#31163298)
- You can buy a solar roof from Tesla right now, and they are by far the sexiest way you can introduce solar to your home.

- The Tesla Cybertruck and Semi are going to be manufactured in the Austin, TX factory, which literally just opened after only 2 years of construction (mid-pandemic) – seems like progress to be.

- Who said the initial crewed missions to Mars would be a fancy sort of cruise trip?

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by joering2 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:06AM (#31164480)
I won't argue about sexiest way but sure the most expensive. Some assessment broke down you need some 30 years of continues use to break even, that is excluding cost of battery and other accessories, so assuming nothing ever breaks in 30 years.

Good luck with that, because at this rate you can literally sell snakesoil and claim it works. Take any group of say 10,000 people, have them use it for the rest of their lives, I guarantee you find few people who miraculously got some sort of disease cured.

- Who said the initial crewed missions to Mars would be a fancy sort of cruise trip?

Musk said that during the first presentation regarding the trip.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kamranjon on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:50PM (#31163756)
Why would I want my roof to be sexy?
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by prawn on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:01AM (#31163810)
"Why would I want my clothes to be sexy?"

"Why would I want my kitchen to be sexy?"

"Why would I want my car to be sexy?"

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kamranjon on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:23AM (#31163916)
Oh right because tech people just assume that sexy is an adjective that makes everything better. I remember hearing this associated with Ruby on Rails at one point and realizing I might not fit in with this whole scene.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by prawn on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:27AM (#31163929)
It's commonly taken to mean "visually appealing". I never use it in that sense, but I don't find it difficult to translate from those who do.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kamranjon on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:41AM (#31163988)
I appreciate that you aren’t propagating this usage.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by randoglando on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:39AM (#31164975)
> open algorithms (99.9% people would not understand what they looking at, at probably 80% of engineers wouldn't either

100% of engineers won't either. These algorithms are all going to be neural net based, which means they need the data (which will be private) to even know what outputs will be for a given input. And why the output is such for a given input? No way to know - basically a black box.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by thecleaner on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:50AM (#31165038)
So why was this down voted exactly ?
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by benrapscallion on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:25AM (#31164908)
Wasn’t he the founder of X.com the precursor entity to PayPal?
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by cachvico on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:51PM (#31163116)
> Twitter is NOT engineering or technology problem.

It absolutely is an engineering and technology problem.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by randoglando on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:43AM (#31165000)
Parts of it are, but not the free speech parts.