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Re:Web 2.0 sucks sharp pebbles and canal water through a dir... by mindslight on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:52PM (#31157543)
This is effectively the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. From a detached perspective it was quite clear that "web 2.0", with its reliance on centralized servers and centralized naming, was inevitably going to devolve into this corporate surveillance hellhole. The incentives and power holders made for a poor foundation, despite the temporary flourishing of a vibrant grassroots community that ignored this while the investors hadn't yet called in their chips.

Having said that, "web 3.0" as recently coined is the same type of middlemen-led openwashing. The real revolutionary technologies won't be hyped as some unified trend, because actual elimination of middlemen leaves no outsized investment money to pay for such hype. As always, the revolution will not be televised.

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Re:Web 2.0 sucks sharp pebbles and canal water through a dir... by pornel on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:01PM (#31162799)
On a technical level it was pretty decentralized. RSS and OpenID specifically did not rely on any particular server. XML namespaces, RDF, "folksonomies" were about open distributed permissionless participation. XMPP was federated. People got too excited with the Twitter API, but even the social services were in principle meant to be replaceable with rel=me (people were supposed to be identified by their URLs, hosted wherever, not by an account on a platform).

I do agree that Web 2.0 was naive in thinking that merely having open decentralized protocols was enough to ensure services built on top of them will be open and decentralized. The commercialized centralization happened despite the decentralized/open tech — on a layer above. Megacorps figured out that open protocols are merely a fertile ground for building walled gardens on.

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Re:Web 2.0 sucks sharp pebbles and canal water through a dir... by zaik on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:22AM (#31164227)
> XMPP was federated

And still around :)

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Re:Web 2.0 sucks sharp pebbles and canal water through a dir... by pornel on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:16PM (#31174771)
Nokia too.
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