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Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by pclmulqdq on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:45AM (#31156496)
I want to just clarify that I think that Tesla the company has done some amazing engineering work. However, _Elon Musk_ himself has not been a great contributor to that work, and he is not a good engineer. He is good at hiring people and holding them accountable to a vision. He is good at raising money from both investors and average people. He is good at selling dreams. He is clearly not particularly good at actually building things.

Being an "engineer at heart" is part of his marketing game, just like it was for Elizabeth Holmes and Steve Jobs. Also, being an engineer at heart doesn't make someone a good engineer. Tesla has accomplished incredible feats of engineering, but that doesn't mean that _Elon Musk_ has accomplished them. Also, the fact that Elon Musk is an incredible marketer shouldn't be taken as a dig: he is clearly the best marketer of his generation and Tesla undeniably would have failed without him. It's when he or his followers get fantasies about Elon Musk being brilliant at everything that I get upset.

As to credibility as an engineer, let's look at the other examples of Musk's engineering work (the ones we know _Elon Musk himself_ was responsible for):

* The hyperloop is a ridiculous concept that defies physics and engineering. Musk personally wrote the "white paper" for it. He wrote that white paper because the California legislature was proposing high speed rail from LA to SF (that would be a ridiculous waste of money), and he didn't like their proposal.

* The boring company makes tunnels. They are not particularly cheap or fast to dig, unless you compare their tunnels to tunnels several times the diameter (as Elon Musk does in his marketing material).

I have no problem with Tesla and I hope they become a successful car company. There is a good chance that my next car 3-5 years from now will be a Tesla if the company proves itself capable of surviving a bear market and the quality issues go away. Musk has been great for Tesla in the growth phase, but they may need a new CEO for the next stage of life.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by panick21_ on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:02PM (#31169991)
> However, _Elon Musk_ himself has not been a great contributor to that work, and he is not a good engineer.

This old sad meme again.

Do you mean he is not a technically certified engineer? Because a lot of people are not that but go into engineering, specially in software.

What would you suggest qualifies somebody as an engineer?

Musk studied physics and was was accepted as PhD student for material science at Standford. Many people from that path go into engineering fields. Musk didn't finish his work on ultracaps and instead created a software company where he was the main software engineer. He actually wrote the code and lead the team of coders at a company that sold for 20+ million. Does that not count as engineering?

And Elon did actually work on the actual Falcon 1 rocket. Both on design and on the actual hardware.

He is not the Chief Engineer in name only. He does what a Chief Engineer does. He is in every technical review meeting with senior engineering leaders and make top level decisions, he defines the strategy and direction of the engineering work. He fundamentally makes a the choice of material/manufacturing process and so on, and takes responsibility if it doesn't work out.

There are plenty of domain experts who have interacted with Elon who have talked about how he actually has the knowlage to talk with all the engineers about domain specific details in those peoples field. And those people were not working at Musk companies.

> * The hyperloop is a ridiculous concept that defies physics and engineering.

Funny then as it was validated by engineering teams of both Tesla and SpaceX with the best simulation tools available in the industry at the time. Please tell me what defies physics.

> * The boring company makes tunnels. They are not particularly cheap or fast to dig, unless you compare their tunnels to tunnels several times the diameter (as Elon Musk does in his marketing material).

Well the bought a commercial tunnel boring machine to start of at. So of course those are not faster. But the point of the company is to make it faster. Are you suggesting that they have made their next generation tunnel boring machines slower then currently commercially available designs?

Where do you get your knowlage about tunneling prices and speed? Do you have some sort of internal knowlage about cost from the boring company?

The Boring Company just raised 600M$ but so I guess at least some investors who look at the tech don't think its trash.