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Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by heavyset_go on Sunday April 24, 2022 @04:18PM (#31147910)
The places I've seen with houses in the $50k to $80k range are in Rust Belt-esque areas whose time has long passed, or in places where a "career" means working at Walmart or cooking methamphetamine. Their economic prospects aren't that great, and their long term economic prospects are even worse.

Rural areas also tend not to be great places for LGBT people, either.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by LinuxBender on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:53AM (#31154752)
Rural areas also tend not to be great places for LGBT people, either.

That may be true in some areas. I can only speak anecdotally. I brought a couple members of the LGBT community with me to a very rural area that is about as cowboy-midwest as it gets. Everyone has been very civil and even the "Good ol boys" have been very respectful with them to my pleasant surprise. There are plenty of openly LGBT working in the local stores.

All of that said I have advised them against hanging out in the local bars after listening to the scanner a bit. There are a few regular angry drunks. Perhaps I am too overly cautious.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by heavyset_go on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:23PM (#31160820)
> Everyone has been very civil and even the "Good ol boys" have been very respectful with them to my pleasant surprise. There are plenty of openly LGBT working in the local stores.

Speaking from experience, they're going to be on good behavior around you and others. It's what happens when they think no one will notice or no one will hold them to account when real discrimination occurs.

I've met plenty of people who claim to be LGBT supporters in public, but have no problem harassing LGBT people, discriminating against them and calling them slurs when they think no one else is looking. Same thing goes for people in power, like bosses and owners, or police and judges. Discrimination doesn't always look like American History X or the Westboro Baptist Church, the vast majority of it is low key and insidious.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by LinuxBender on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:02AM (#31167581)
but have no problem harassing LGBT people, discriminating against them and calling them slurs when they think no one else is looking.

That's the very reason I suggested staying away from the bars. When people are drunk their inhibitions are gone and judgement is very poor. The LGBT hate crime that I know of happened about 23 years ago outside a bar.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by heavyset_go on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:01PM (#31174688)
Yeah, even bars in the suburbs can get sketchy for LGBT people.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by mrguyorama on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:57PM (#31159740)
Maybe individual people are nice to their face, but they'll still vote for the guys who implement "don't say gay" bills and the like, with is pretty anti-lgbtq
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by kortilla on Sunday April 24, 2022 @04:38PM (#31148084)
The Bay Area was nothing in the 80s either. NYC wasn’t even a desirable place to be during that time either.

People who pick just what’s attractive at the moment are pretty short-sighted and I have no sympathy for them.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by heavyset_go on Sunday April 24, 2022 @05:03PM (#31148319)
> People who pick just what’s attractive at the moment are pretty short-sighted and I have no sympathy for them.

What's attractive and what's viable are often two separate things. NYC is not viable for someone making $40k a year, but neither is moving to the Rust Belt where their "options" are working part-time in department stores or literal crime.

Something tells me that this is a situation that can't be won in some people's minds. If someone makes the rational decision to not move somewhere that is not economically viable, in an area that's projected to become even more unviable with time, that's not good enough for some. If someone lives in a shitty area and moves elsewhere for better career prospects, but still can't make ends meet, well, according to posts like this, they should just have moved somewhere shitty instead.

If we applied the same to degrees, I doubt you'd feel the same about all of the "short-sighted" people who chose to study trades or liberal arts at a state school and now have poor economic prospects, instead of choosing what's attractive at the moment like STEM.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by Clubber on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:43AM (#31155557)
The most obvious solution is remote work. The main economic reason people even live in large cities is jobs. If the jobs can be done anywhere, that would certainly revitalize a lot of the US to points we haven't seen in decades. I'd much rather live in a quiet rural area than in a city with high traffic, high crime and high costs.

Remote work would also have a cascading effect. Say 20 people move to a rural area, well they need food, and their vehicles fixed, and their house maintained, etc. They need to fund their hobbies and generally would bring more money to those areas. Big cities with a lot of power don't want that to happen because they will lose their tax base. I suspect some city governments are incentivizing businesses to bring employees back to the office because of this.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by 121789 on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:41PM (#31158210)
I don't really think remote work will end up in any meaningful rural revitalization. The main urban->other migration I've seen from remote work in my peer group (USA) has been from urban large urban area->smaller urban area or urban area->suburban area. If that holds, we'll have more large cities and bigger suburbs, but I don't know that it helps rural areas at all. I think many people want to be around other people, and if you remove them from other people most of the day (with remote work), they'll want to see people even more after work. Urban/suburban areas are better for this
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by kortilla on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:49PM (#31175723)
> short-sighted" people who chose to study trades or liberal arts

People who chose to study trades would be doing well off, that’s a terrible analogy.

> liberal arts

Liberal arts has pretty much always had terrible prospects. That’s not short sighted, that’s just straight up blind.