Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS

Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by wing-_-nuts on Thursday April 21, 2022 @02:28PM (#31113368)

Wayland! Ye gods. I tried. I really did. I understand that from a developer standpoint, it's the future. I understand from a security standpoint, it's more secure. From a user standpoint? It completely breaks so much functionality (copy / paste, screen share, blue light filters, etc). Video players crash and sometimes take down the whole OS with it. It puts so much responsibility that used to be the job of the x server off on the window managers.

This shift to wayland has been one of the most user hostile decisions I've seen. Every distro that defaults to wayland pushes me that much closer to simply running linux in a WSL container on windows.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by sph on Thursday April 21, 2022 @03:22PM (#31114056)

Wayland has changed since you last tried. I haven't got copy paste or blue light issues with it since Fedora 35 went with Wayland-by-default. Screen share is iffy on Electron, but that behemoth is slow to pick up new technologies.

I don't know about video players crashing either.

When talking about a fast moving new piece of technology, it's good to give it a try once in a while and not let your 4 year old experience colour your judgement.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by wing-_-nuts on Thursday April 21, 2022 @03:44PM (#31114303)

I gave up last week. Vlc and celluloid were crashing under gnome. They worked under swaywm but couldn't find a way to install a redshift wayland clone that worked. There are a whole lot of things that still simply 'don't work' especially if you venture outside of gnome and kde.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by taifleh on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:48PM (#31114982)

VLC doesn’t support wayland. It’s an X application.

take a look at https://arewewaylandyet.com/ to find some alternative app for your X-only software

Also make sure to alias vlc to your new alternative, i keep forgetting i don’t have vlc installed anymore...

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by wing-_-nuts on Thursday April 21, 2022 @05:53PM (#31115650)

I tired using celluloid which is a gnome wrapper around mpv, but it stopped working. Running it on the command line, I'm prompted with an exception and admonished that wayland support is 'experimental' and known to be unstable.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by sph on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:19PM (#31115872)

I use celluloid on Wayland. Never crashed. It'd be helpful to know what distro you are using. Fedora has the best Wayland experience of them all, others not so much.

You wouldn't have a nice Wayland experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by wing-_-nuts on Friday April 22, 2022 @03:38PM (#31127005)

>You wouldn't have a nice Wayland experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example.

That's a bingo! :^(

Looking to move to an arch flavor, but need to figure out how to backup ~ 500GB of stuff I don't want to lose.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by dralley on Thursday April 21, 2022 @05:40PM (#31115524)

If you were using GNOME, then it has a redshift clone built in.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by wing-_-nuts on Thursday April 21, 2022 @05:51PM (#31115635)

Yes, gnome has night light, but unfortunately vlc crashes under wayland and it takes the entire OS with it. I haven't discovered any smoking guns, but I assume it's some sort of OOM issue, which is funny on a system with 8GB of ram.

Switching to gnome on xorg, it's rock solid stable.

I will wait to switch back to wayland when I'm forced to a few years down the line. I'm done bleeding on the edge.

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Re:Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS by dralley on Thursday April 21, 2022 @05:54PM (#31115666)

> vlc crashes under wayland and it takes the entire OS with it. I haven't discovered any smoking guns, but I assume it's some sort of OOM issue

As someone already pointed out, VLC doesn't support wayland natively, so it's running under Xwayland. Ironically the issue could very well be X related.

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