Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit...
by Spooky23 on Thursday April 21, 2022 @07:52AM
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It’s kinda hilarious that you’re chiding me for not reading the link when you didn’t read the comment.
Those are index felonies, and have nothing to do with walking to school. Quality of life crime, non-criminal bad behavior, sidewalks, and traffic hazards all have more impact and aren’t measured in a uniform way.
In fact, I’d argue that there’s an increase in petty street crime as policy has changed and we no longer pursue most minor stuff as it makes stats look better and pts lip service to various social goals.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit...
by godelski on Thursday April 21, 2022 @12:55PM
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I'm sorry, it's difficult to take your responses in good faith. You first start by saying that you can only meaningfully measure violent crimes and burglary, which I pointed out were the measurements in the citation. Now you say that those don't matter and that petty crime has increased based on gut feelings. But by your own claim that's impossible to measure accurately. You put me in a spot where you've said that no data would be convincing to you. I think that's the end of this conversation then.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit...
by adrianN on Thursday April 21, 2022 @01:05AM
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I interpreted the comment you're replying to such that while the statistics for the serious crimes show a marked decline, parent are not only concerned about those crimes when letting their children walk alone to school and we have poor data about less serious crimes.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit...
by godelski on Thursday April 21, 2022 @01:19AM
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My comment was two parts. 1) that crime overall is decreasing. As far as I can tell this is true for every measurable metric. The only two I'm aware of that aren't are opioid use and sexual assault. Though the latter one isn't commonly believed to actually be increasing but just higher reporting. 2) that locality of crime is non-uniform. As a kid we knew which areas of town not to go to alone. Stay out of those parts of town and you'll be fine. In addition to this, most crime is not evenly distributed across the country and your suburban town isn't that dangerous. I'll strengthen my claim even more though, though this still isn't controversial. The richer your zipcode, the lower the crime rate. I think what people in this thread are more discussing is wealthy suburbanites picking their kids up in Teslas saying it is too dangerous to walk. No one is questioning the same sentiment for kids in Detroit or the bad parts of Chicago.
Good news! The numbers reported in my citation are specifically about: Larceny/Theft, Burglary, Aggraveted Assault, Motor Vehicle Theft, Robbery, Rape, and Murder/Non-Negligent Manslaughter. Every single one of these has drastically decreased since the 90's (90's increased in crime since the 80's but current levels are below that).
I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I can't but help but feel that this could have better been resolved by clicking on the citation I included.