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Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:30PM (#31102581)
I worked at several startups before working at FAANG - none of them operated at any scale that they needed to be on AWS. None of them ever grew enough to need to be on AWS either.

One of them did a bunch of stuff that made use of AWS - but it didn't deliver any value to our customers, and probably made our product substantially worse. It cost $30k a day, and unquestionably was not worth the cost, and everyone on the team was fired after a few months.

Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by Karrot_Kream on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:37PM (#31102652)
I worked at a startup that didn't use the cloud and was hemorrhaging money by only using a handful of compute in a DC despite renting a whole bunch of space/power. They could have moved to AWS and saved a ton on cost, but their CTO was comfortable with renting colo space and knew how to run a colo-based tech company. There's not much you can do when people make bad decisions. At most you can understand the tradeoffs of the decision space and do your best. There's rarely a silver bullet.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:41PM (#31102722)
There are options beside AWS and colo.

A lot of companies are fine just using a handful of VPSes.

I think the biggest problem with starting on AWS is engineers are extremely susceptible to playing with new toys - for better or worse.

Engineers are going to try all AWSes new stuff, which is fine. The problem stems from engineers wanting to do stuff on the newest shiniest AWS toy whether that actually makes sense financially or much more importantly in terms of the product roadmap.

Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by vineyardmike on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:13PM (#31103756)
> whether that actually makes sense financially or much more importantly in terms of the product roadmap.

If design docs don't at least mention the cost - and your business cares about cost - then you should probably have a chat with the engineering dept.

At a prior FAANG job we included basic cost analysis in our decisions. You don't always need the cheaper option if it doesn't make sense, but you should probably know the traffic that shiny new toy will receive and the cost associated with it. (eg. soln A needs 25% more compute, and the internal price is X vs soln B needs 10% more compute, but will increase storage costs for caching at X per gb for ~Y gb).

I recall a case where a coworker (Senior SDE in Silicon Valley, so easily 25k a month salary) spent a month reducing our $500 SQS bill to $350 because our director wanted to see teams making smart financial optimizations. Meanwhile, our EC2 bill was $50k a month. Not everything is smart financially to focus on fixing. What is the compSci quote on premature optimization?

Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by noreallyitis on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:35PM (#31105805)
It's "premature ejaculation is the root of all evil"
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by Karrot_Kream on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:45PM (#31102780)
Yeah there's tons of options. There's the big clouds/cloud-native stuff. There's the cloud-VMs/VPSes. There's colos. There's making a DC at an office through DIA. Understanding these options is key to making a good, informed decision IMO.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by kube-system on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:04PM (#31102983)
The advantage of AWS for a very small organization is flexibility and convenience, not scale.

Of course, if you can't trust your developers to spend money wisely, you need guardrails on cost, no matter where you're spending it.

Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @08:43PM (#31104865)
Flexibility and convenience are benefits of the cloud in general, not exclusive to a single PaaS like AWS.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by umanwizard on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:42PM (#31102733)
FAANG doesn't need to use cloud either. Notably, Facebook doesn't (and, a bunch of stuff at Amazon was still not on cloud until _long_ after AWS was invented).
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:49PM (#31102824)
Facebook doesn't use the cloud? Are you crazy? They built their own cloud. They just don't sell it as a service.

Sure - not everything at these companies needs to be on the cloud. But when you're dealing with sensitive information, you don't want people rolling their own infrastructure.

Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by jjeaff on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:31PM (#31103289)
Is it really cloud if you built it yourself and run it on your own hardware in your own data center?
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by icedchai on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:44PM (#31104501)
Certainly! I joke that I have my own private cloud: I have a k8s cluster running on 6 machines in my closet datacenter.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by vineyardmike on Thursday April 21, 2022 @02:07PM (#31113089)
When you're one of the largest data center owners in the world, its pretty close? Its not like they're colo'ing? How do you define cloud?
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by humantorso on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:06PM (#31104208)
Yes! the fact you are asking this belies your understanding of the cloud.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by umanwizard on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @09:55PM (#31105273)
Can you elaborate on what your understanding of the term is?
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by jjeaff on Thursday April 21, 2022 @12:53AM (#31106130)
Well then I guess everyone is actually already in the cloud. They just have varying levels of UI/UX.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by imwillofficial on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:59PM (#31104150)
Yes. A private cloud due to the tech stack at work.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by firsttracks on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:30PM (#31103287)
At the end of 2021 Facebook announced they would begin to use more AWS services [0]. Now, I wouldn’t call it Facebook going full cloud and I definitely expect FB to continue to use on-prem for the majority of their compute/storage; but I think it’s worthwhile to note that even FB (which may be one of the largest private clouds) sees value in using cloud providers to supplement their on-prem solutions.

[0] https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-det...

Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by jenny91 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:27PM (#31103896)
This is some peripheral or business continuity-type stuff. FB will obviously not move any of their critical stuff there.
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by iamtedd on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:33PM (#31103941)
Isn't Netflix 100% on AWS?
Re:You probably don’t need AWS and are better off without it by xuki on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:24PM (#31104355)
IIRC Netflix run their own boxes for content delivery, which makes sense because of the exorbitant cost of bandwidth on AWS.