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Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by giraffe_lady on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @03:41PM (#31087960)
The first question is not hard to find answers to if you genuinely want them. But it has a lot to do with how the claim in that paragraph is not true: homogenous teams are less effective in some measurable ways. Plus our society is not homogenous, so from what mechanism does the homogeneity of the team emerge? Is it completely benign and spurious?

The actual definition is the meaning ascribed by users of a word as it is understood by their audience. The dictionary is a recording of meaning, not a creator of it.

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by thegrimmest on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @03:56PM (#31088153)
> homogenous teams are less effective in some measurable ways

And more effective in other, measureable, ways. This is very much not settled science. There are many ways to measure effectiveness - idea diversity is only one of them.

Surely you would agree that hiring a white American as a waiter in a Chinese restaurant where only Mandarin is spoken by the kitchen staff (not uncommon) would hinder the effectiveness of the restaurant?

The fellow may bring a new perspective on how to run things, but if the owners are not interested in his perspective (which they are entitled not to be, right?), then all they're left with is the communication difficulties he would face performing his function.

> Plus our society is not homogenous, so from what mechanism does the homogeneity of the team emerge? Is it completely benign and spurious?

Generally the mechanism has been that many people actively seek to associate with people similar to themselves, people they can easily relate to. This generally includes hiring. I think it's perfectly benign and quite natural for people do cluster around cultural similarity. It's why we have things like Chinatown.

Most other behaviour, to me, seems to be in this category: people preferring the (professional) company of those they can relate to. If it's OK for a Chinese restaurant to only hire Chinese people, why is it wrong for an investment bank or programming firm to only hire people similar to the founders? It seems to be the same mechanism at play.

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by PuppyTailWags on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:14PM (#31088401)
> Surely you would agree that hiring a white American as a waiter in a Chinese restaurant where only Mandarin is spoken by the kitchen staff (not uncommon) would hinder the effectiveness of the restaurant?

This isn't the position though. This is adding additional hypotheticals like language barriers. It would be more like hiring a white american waiter of a chinese restaurant, where both the white american waiter and the chinese kitchen staff don't have significant language barriers. In that case it might actually be helpful depending on the demographics of people eating at the restaurant.

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by thegrimmest on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:20PM (#31088468)
Culture and language are inexorably intertwined. Just ask anyone who has tried to learn a foreign language. A cultural barrier is just a softer communication barrier, where language has to be much more formal than speakers are typically accustomed to, in order to be understood and not to offend.

When I'm speaking to people whom I relate to well (including colleagues), half of it is movie quotes, rude jokes, varyingly subtle digs, etc. I suspect most people are the same. In order to write for a wider audience, I have to add rather a few more layers of thought and consideration to what naturally comes to me - to formalize my language.

This burden of formalization is in fact exactly what Google is trying to help with. It is only required when people don't relate to each other well. Having a homogeneous team eliminates the problem.

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by twofornone on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @03:54PM (#31088120)
>But it has a lot to do with how the claim in that paragraph is not true: homogenous teams are less effective in some measurable ways

As far as I'm aware there is a single contrived study which looked at financial metrics from boards with female representation to come to that conclusion. This is a tenet that activists desperately want to believe but flies in the face of conventional experience and basic reasoning. At the very lease some minimum common culture, like language, is necessary for a functioning team. How do you expect a team to function if half the members believe that traits like "independence" are toxic and words like "analysis" are offensive? That's culture too.

>Plus our society is not homogenous, so from what mechanism does the homogeneity of the team emerge? Is it completely benign and spurious?

Another recently popular fallacy used to justify these toxic policies. That a team is composed primarily of one demographic does not imply sexism. People who share cultural values and personality traits are likely to gravitate toward certain disciplines, it is an entirely emergent phenomenon and does not require invocation of discrimination to explain. For example, regardless of the amount of sexism actually present in the tech workplace, it is absurd to expect gender parity if one acknowledges that women are fundamentally less likely to be interested in programming in the first place, as a consequence of human nature.

These policies all feel great but are ultimately half baked, and the danger here is that for merely questioning them, as any rational person should, we risk our livelihoods. The consequences for society are bleak, as we are now explicitly prioritizing gender and race over competence. This is, ironically, top-down mandated systemic racism/sexism.

Edit: in fact I would go as far as to say that all communication is predicated upon common culture, because words, symbols, gestures, and inferred intentions are all inherently cultural. Even things like correcting mistakes of others and questioning seniors/elders are vary with culture. There is absolutely no reason to believe that diversity is an absolute good and cannot hamper communication and cooperation when certain cultures are mixed. We've gone totally off the rails because the same people pushing for these policies have created a system where their discussion is forbidden.

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by giraffe_lady on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:01PM (#31088222)
I was actually thinking of the internal google study about their teams from a few years back. And a similar (unpublished outside the org) study a company I worked for did, where they found that teams with the highest racial and educational diversity had new members onboard faster than ones with less.

But if we're at the point of looking around at this world and saying "Ah yes, human nature caused this and certainly nothing else did" then I don't think I have anything to contribute to that project.

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by twofornone on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:30PM (#31088635)
>I was actually thinking of the internal google study about their teams from a few years back. And a similar (unpublished outside the org) study a company I worked for did, where they found that teams with the highest racial and educational diversity had new members onboard faster than ones with less.

You don't think, given the zeitgeist, that these studies might be a little biased? Maybe designed to produce certain acceptable results? What kind of scandalous pushback do you think google would get from activists if they dared to suggest results which went against this forced D&I consensus?

Re:Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words” by polski-g on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:32PM (#31091282)
https://economicsdetective.com/2016/07/costs-ethnic-diversit...

> Williams and O’Reilly (1996) review dozens of studies showing that ethnic diversity has a negative impact on group performance. In the two decades since, more research has reinforced that result. Alesina and La Ferrara (2005) find that increasing ethnic diversity from 0 (only one ethnic group) to 1 (each individual is a different ethnicity) would reduce a country’s annual growth by 2 percent. Multiple studies (La Porta et al., 1999; Alesina et al., 2003; Habyarimana et al., 2007) have shown that ethnic diversity negatively affects public good provision. Stazyk et al. (2012) find that ethnic diversity reduces job satisfaction among government workers. Parrotta et al. (2014a) find that ethnic diversity is significantly and negatively correlated with firm productivity.

> This may seem strange to you. If you’re like me, you probably enjoy diversity. You probably don’t observe the problems of low morale and high marginal costs that researchers have found in ethnically diverse workplaces.