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Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by nassimsoftware on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:36PM (#31078909)
What are you talking about. In Islam the Quran is considered the final revelation of God that is to remain preserved until the day of judgement. The previous prophets like Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them) came with revelation too but they were corrupted by man who ascribed things to Allah by adding stuff up to the books.

Look how many version of the bibles there is. However, there is only one Quran. 114 chapters. It always start with surat Al-Fatiha and ends with surat Al-Anas.

The Quran is memorized by millions of muslims word by word. There is even a quran in a museum in the UK, Birmigham where it was carbon dated around the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). This demonstrate that the quran is preserved.

Moses and Jesus and all the previous prophets are muslims. In the sense that muslims means someone who submits his will to the one creator. However, as throught history it always devolved into polytheism. Look at christianity with the concept of the trinity. Islam is so simple and make so much more sense just worship one creator. He is not a man, not a woman doesn't have children, He is above all of this.

I would suggest looking at this video : What is the difference between the Quran & the Bible? | Great Explanation | Sh. Uthman Ibn Farooq : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0WSzqnJzRo

Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by 1over137 on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:05PM (#31079102)
>However, there is only one Quran

Nope. Although the Quran is very well preserved for such an old document, there are multiple variants. Muslims often claim it's perfectly preserved, but it's just not. See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYwwX5lc_ww (start 8 minutes in).

Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by nassimsoftware on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:37PM (#31079271)
The variants you're referring to are just changes in pronounciation not meaning. (It's called a qiraat and there are 10) It's like if someone from the UK and someone from San diego pronounce the same sentence. It will sound different because of their accent but it's the same thing. So I stand by what I say the quran is perfectly preserved.

If you want to dive in further here is a video that address the issue of what you linked : https://youtu.be/eTz96M1AkVo?t=400 There are many such online.

At the end of the day there is only one Quran with 114 chapters it's start with surat Al-Fatiha and ends with the last surat An-Nas.

If you want to learn more about Islam. I recommend the One Message Foundation channel : https://www.youtube.com/c/OneMessageFoundation/videos

Finally, I want to invite you to become a muslim. Meaning, I invite you to submit your will to the one and only creator the same one who sent Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (Peace be upon them all) so that you may attain eternal paradise and avoid hell. In the end you make your choice and I'm only here as a conveyor of the message.

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Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by dragonwriter on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:01PM (#31079082)
> You are mistaken that there are different versions of the bible. There are different translations.

There are different versions of the sources, as well as different trabslations; most recent versions of the Bible are based on some scholarship which incorporates and makes some effort to reconcile the differences, rather than simply choosing one set as authoritative, but the differences in the sources contribute to difference between translations.

Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by getcrunk on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:36PM (#31078914)
> In fact, many Christians and Jews were murdered or enslaved at his command because they refused to follow him.

That is false. The prophet Muhammad never killed Jews or Christians for not following Islam. The Jews he fought with and killed were due to political reasons. In most cases, treachery. One group he had a treaty with tried to assassinate him, for example.

This is a common islamaphobic trope.

Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by CaptainNegative on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:00PM (#31079076)
Having a divine revelation that the dhimmis are plotting to murder you (and therefore should be forced pay you a 50% tax in perpetuity under threat of expulsion or death, of course) can hardly be considered a purely political, non-religious reason. Or a trope.
Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by danamit on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:03PM (#31079093)
Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

FYI: there exists many other Jewish tribes, this ones killed for the reasons stated in article.

Please read a bit before you talk, it is embarrassing!

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Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by dragonwriter on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:10PM (#31079126)
> Is there a distinction between government and religion in Islam?

No more or less than there is in Christianity.

There are Muslims who distinguish the role of each, just as there are Christians who do.

> In the west, there is this distinction

Not largely from within institutional Christianity, where both theocracy (wherein government is viewed as subordinated to religious institutions, rather than the two being separate) and caesaropapism (wherein religious institutions are subordinated to government rather than the two being separate) have been common institutional power and legitimate government power is frequently portrayed as having a divine religious origin.

Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by danamit on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:30PM (#31078869)
I am sure you are Christian. Ask Jews personally about Islam vs Christianity.
Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by throwaway49374 on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:39PM (#31078932)
See Surah Ar-Rum in the Quran,it foretells Roman Christian victory over the Persians.
Re:Canadians consider certain religions damaging to society:... by danamit on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:09PM (#31079124)
What? it says Romans lost, then they gonna win after. What it has to do with anything?

Also I don't believe Rum means Roman Christians, it simply means Byzantines.