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Re:Zig self hosted compiler is now capable of building itself by phendrenad2 on Monday April 18, 2022 @07:37PM (#31078109)
> vector-like data type for different types

When using C, if you want something from a higher-level language, usually you'd just do what that language's runtime does internally. So for a vector of heterogeneous objects, you could do a linked-list of pointers to the data objects. Something like:

    struct VecItm { struct VecItm next; void *data; size_t data_len; char objTypeId; };
Is it more work? Yes. But at this point I would stop and consider if I really need a heterogeneous collection. Do we really need to store a list of objects with arbitrary sizes? What if we have 3 types of objects, in 3 arrays, and we store index into those arrays?

    struct Foo { unsigned byte x; };
    struct Bar { unsigned word x; };
    struct Baz { unsigned long x; };

    struct Foo foos[256];
    struct Bar bars[256];
    struct Baz bazzes[256];

    // objTypeId: 0 = foo, 1 = bar, 2 = baz
    struct VecItm { struct VecItm next; unsigned int idx; char objTypeId; };
Or what if we can do something even better? What if Foo, Bar, and Baz all have a max size that isn't too wildly different? Can we store them all in an array directly?

    // objTypeId: 0 = foo (x contains 8 bits), 1 = bar (x contains 16 bits), 2 = baz (x contains 32 bits)
    struct VecItm { unsigned long x; char objTypeId; };
    struct VecItm vecItms[256];
> Its “macro” system is just a disgusting hack

It's really not that bad. It can result in spaghetti-code where your macros are using other macros and they're spread all over a header file. But if you use them surgically, only when needed, they don't cause much trouble.

> I could just as well write a sed script

The benefit of C macros over sed is if you use some language-aware tooling like an IDE (such as CLion), it will syntax-check and type-check your macros.

Re:Zig self hosted compiler is now capable of building itself by kaba0 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:29AM (#31080811)
I don’t want a heterogeneous “array”, I want a generic one. Your first example is the overhead I talked about, most high-level languages don’t do this at all. Pointer chasing is really pricey on this level.

Your second example misses the auto-growing part. Sure, I want an array, but if that becomes too small, I automatically want to realloc the underlying data to a larger array. And I want to use it for Foo, for int and for any sized objects, generally.

C++ can create the proper zero-overhead abstraction over it by generating code for each type I use it for, C to my knowledge can’t do so without copy-pasting code or doing things with runtime overhead, resulting in (often) much slower code.

Re:Zig self hosted compiler is now capable of building itself by phendrenad2 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:16AM (#31082661)
In that case copy-pasting is the way, and macros make the copy-pasting much less onerous. This could be messy if there are a lot of types, but I have yet to see a program where having auto-growing vectors of many different types was absolutely essential.