Re:Zig self hosted compiler is now capable of building itself
by kaba0 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:29AM
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I don’t want a heterogeneous “array”, I want a generic one. Your first example is the overhead I talked about, most high-level languages don’t do this at all. Pointer chasing is really pricey on this level.
Your second example misses the auto-growing part. Sure, I want an array, but if that becomes too small, I automatically want to realloc the underlying data to a larger array. And I want to use it for Foo, for int and for any sized objects, generally.
C++ can create the proper zero-overhead abstraction over it by generating code for each type I use it for, C to my knowledge can’t do so without copy-pasting code or doing things with runtime overhead, resulting in (often) much slower code.
Re:Zig self hosted compiler is now capable of building itself
by phendrenad2 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:16AM
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In that case copy-pasting is the way, and macros make the copy-pasting much less onerous. This could be messy if there are a lot of types, but I have yet to see a program where having auto-growing vectors of many different types was absolutely essential.
When using C, if you want something from a higher-level language, usually you'd just do what that language's runtime does internally. So for a vector of heterogeneous objects, you could do a linked-list of pointers to the data objects. Something like:
Is it more work? Yes. But at this point I would stop and consider if I really need a heterogeneous collection. Do we really need to store a list of objects with arbitrary sizes? What if we have 3 types of objects, in 3 arrays, and we store index into those arrays? Or what if we can do something even better? What if Foo, Bar, and Baz all have a max size that isn't too wildly different? Can we store them all in an array directly? > Its “macro” system is just a disgusting hackIt's really not that bad. It can result in spaghetti-code where your macros are using other macros and they're spread all over a header file. But if you use them surgically, only when needed, they don't cause much trouble.
> I could just as well write a sed script
The benefit of C macros over sed is if you use some language-aware tooling like an IDE (such as CLion), it will syntax-check and type-check your macros.