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Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by theshrike79 on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:28PM (#31077452)
The Touch Bar was a good idea. Replacing the F-keys with it was a _terrible_ idea.

If they would've just added the bar above the normal F-keys, everyone would've either embraced or ignored it. But taking away function keys was just too much for pretty much everyone - especially ESC (which they rectified in a later iteration).

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by MBCook on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:20PM (#31079466)
I actually think normal users would be fine or even happy with it instead of the F keys.

But it was expensive. So it was only all the more expensive models, the ones that professionals and programmers used. And a lot of them hated it.

I don’t mind it that much personally. My work laptop has one and it can be nice on occasion. But when I switch to a laptop that doesn’t have one I don’t miss it at all.

(I have the hardware escape key. I think without that it would truly drive me nuts.)

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by gorjusborg on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:09PM (#31088327)
I switched away from apple laptops because of the butterfly keyboard and removal of the F-keys in favor of the touch bar.

For a while there it was like someone inside Apple wanted to chase developers away from their laptops.