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Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by capableweb on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:18AM (#31070957)
I can understand rejecting them for "failed to meet curriculum standards", but what does "incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies" really mean? Are there math topics and "stategies" that are illegal in the US/Florida somehow?

I also understand that including critical race theory in math books seems wildly irrelevant (unless I miss something) and therefor not fit for the curriculum. But I'm interested to hear how that happens in the first place? Who includes education about "intersection of race, society, and law" in mathematical books, for what purpose? Shouldn't that belong to some other educational program instead, like society or history classes?

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by HideousKojima on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:21AM (#31071014)
I could imagine it being something along the lines of "The economic productivity of a typical black slave was X... yada yada yada... how many dollars in reparations does America owe modern black Americans Y years later at interest rate Z."

I could also imagine it being something much more benign. I really wish we could see what it actually was so we could see if the DoE's judgement here was reasonable or not.

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by capableweb on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:25AM (#31071060)
> I could imagine it being something along the lines of "The economic productivity of a typical black slave was X... yada yada yada... how many dollars in reparations does America owe modern black Americans Y years later at interest rate Z."

That does seems a bit unnecessary example since there is high racial tensions and the book is supposed to be about math. You could just use another example in that case. If it was about cases like that, I might just agree with them being rejected.

> I really wish we could see what it actually was so we could see if the DoE's judgement here was reasonable or not.

Agree, seems weird to not show people what the problem was if it's easy to justify. But then again, a lot of judicial, government and politics from America seems weird to me so...

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by itbeho on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:19PM (#31074445)
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by ironSkillet on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:15PM (#31075139)
Thank you for this link. I was wondering when someone was going to present some concrete evidence for the "social justice" creep into mathematics curriculum that some people object to.
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by klyrs on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:46AM (#31072280)
> I could imagine it being something along the lines of

It would be so nice if politicians could show us precisely what they're protecting our children from, so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples.

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by gruez on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:56AM (#31072427)
>so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples

I don't get it. What's so remarkable about "HideousKojima" (Hideo Kojima?)'s games?

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by fatcat32594 on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:08PM (#31072604)
"HideousKojima" is just the HN username of the person who wrote the above possible example of what could be in the book
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by timintheglades on Friday April 22, 2022 @11:54AM (#31123229)
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by usrn on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:26AM (#31071074)
A couple years ago including "intersection of race, society, and law" in math books was the hot new thing (a lot of "black people can't empathize with the names in the math book" etc.) Articles about it even showed up here IIRC.
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by bmcahren on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:21AM (#31071005)
Unsolicited strategies are "core math". I am convinced 98% of the books are banned because of this but they tossed in CRT to get peoples' wallets out for political donations.

Title may as well have been "dear leader protects children".

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by agseward on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:42AM (#31071299)
Topics like sampling bias and adverse impact seem like they could fit that intersection between a math curriculum and "race, society, and law."
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by fuzzer37 on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:22AM (#31071026)
> Who includes education about "intersection of race, society, and law" in mathematical books, for what purpose?

That's the thing, they don't. And this is all a farce to line the pockets of some publisher in bed with some lawmakers.

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by jaywalk on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:26AM (#31071085)
I understand we don't have any evidence supporting Florida's claim, but you don't have any evidence supporting what you said either. I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise.
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by JaimeThompson on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:59AM (#31071566)
>I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise.

That Florida made the active decision to not release the names of the books is a bit strange, don't you think?

Seems like an open government would want to provide their citizens with the details of their decisions instead of hiding it.

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by jaywalk on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:17AM (#31071839)
It is a bit strange. But it could be something as simple as a provision in the contract with the publishers that they not release info on any textbooks that are rejected.
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by JaimeThompson on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:23AM (#31071937)
It's open information that has been released in the past by many states, including Florida. They released a list of the books this morning but not the reasons why they got rejected so it was a choice to not give the information out at the same time as the notice.
Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by onion2k on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:28AM (#31071112)
I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise.

You don't need to pick a side. You're allowed to say you don't know.

Re:Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race the... by jaywalk on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:36AM (#31071212)
Sure, but I am choosing to (loosely) pick a side. The only evidence we have is their claim, and I'll believe it unless better evidence comes to light against it.