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Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by daenz on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:02PM (#31047992)
$TWTR has been trending down over the last year. When he bought, the price went up 27%, signaling that people thought his involvement would be positive for the company. If he says "twitter is hopeless" and pulls out, the sentiment will be that nothing can save twitter.
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by stupandaus on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:25PM (#31048179)
this is incorrect. the price going up is a reflection of the market's believe about the % likelihood of a deal.

for example at market close of $45.08, the market is betting there is a $45.08/$54.20 = 83% chance that this transaction goes through.

there are certainly individual stockholders who are buying because they like his involvement, but that is tiny compared to people buying and selling a very near-term bet

Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by BurningFrog on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:29PM (#31048214)
> at market close of $45.08, the market is betting there is a $45.08/$54.20 = 83% chance that this transaction goes through.

This assumes the price without the transactions goes to $0.00!

Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by bscphil on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:10PM (#31048559)
Correct, and furthermore, Musk's offer was made after he announced his stake in the company, which is what caused the price of the stock to rise. Him offering to buy it outright barely affected the share price:

> The social media company’s shares were little changed at $45.81 in New York on Thursday, a sign there’s skepticism that one of the platform’s most outspoken users will succeed in his takeover attempt. -- Bloomberg

So while the news of a major stakeholder with the power to join the board and affect how things are run did cause a significant blip in Twitter's stock price, the attempt to buy it outright doesn't seem to have affected things much. Even if we (incorrectly) assumed that all of the rise from ~$40 to ~$45 is associated with the possibility of Musk paying $54 a share, that suggests the market assigns only a ~36% chance of the deal going through.

Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by stupandaus on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:37PM (#31048278)
yes, there are many factors that can influence a valuation. and in different price ranges, different factors will have different weights. since the price is not $0 today and is relatively close to the potential transaction price, the % likelihood of a transaction has much more influence.
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by ironSkillet on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:59PM (#31048464)
I think the comment is more about the fact that your calculation of 83% doesn't make sense. However, I agree with you that likelihood of the deal going through is definitely impacting the short term valuation.
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by GCU-Empiricist on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:41PM (#31048816)
I keep seeing this sentiment, and it seems like wishful thinking.. The paper is out there on how to defeat the poison pill: trigger the pill, let the stock tank, offer at a lower price per share but at the same market value plus what was put into the company to acquire the new stock by the diluters. Full market price is full market price. Look at Musk's investment in automation at Tesla he knows how to play the long game. ttps://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1102&context=law_faculty_scholarship
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by sudosysgen on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:34PM (#31048256)
No, it's not. It's people that want to buy, so they can sell it at a premium to Musk later. It's pure speculation.
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by Waterluvian on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:09PM (#31048050)
Yup that tracks. Thanks!
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by Tostino on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:16PM (#31048110)
Which is just fucking rank market manipulation
Re:Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to... by trixie_ on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:24PM (#31048174)
If he honestly wants to buy it which given the hoops he's jumping through seems to be the case then it's not 'manipulation' at all. Every move Elon makes is going to change the price. I think we all know he's not 'in it for the money' so it'd be pretty hard to make the case for manipulation. He really wants it. And if everyone else thinks Twitter would be better off with Elon as owner the stock goes up. And if he gives up trying, the stock goes down. That's not manipulation, that's sentiment.