Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by hedora on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:15PM
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There's a configuration for bike safety that's basically a mini roundabout superimposed on a normal intersection. It doesn't significantly increase the size of the intersection, but the geometry works out in a way where bikes can go at near full speed, but it's impossible for a right turning car and straight going bike to get into a collision without seeing each other first (assuming both are looking forward while driving).
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by aix1 on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:28AM
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Is there a picture/diagram you could link to that would show this configuration in more detail?
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by adhesive_wombat on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:39PM
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Pretty small: a mini roundabout isn't really any bigger than just the intersection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Mini-roundabouts
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by pm3003 on Friday April 15, 2022 @11:36PM
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Mini roundabouts are very likely to be confusing horrors, outside of low-speed residential zones, parking lots and the like.
See the city of Nantes in France (roundabout’s paradise), navigating the intersections is horrible. In a few parts of town they even have double mini roundabouts. The only reasonable explanation I found is “security by confusion” : if you have no idea how to drive through the intersection, you’re more likely to slow down. Well it doesn’t make the intersection really safer.
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by Mountain_Skies on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:42PM
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I've seen some in Vancouver that are little more than an oversize planter with a scrub in it stuck in the middle of the intersection. As long as it deflects traffic to the side a bit, a slowdown is achieved and the main purpose fulfilled.
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by fassssst on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:42PM
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Yea there are a bunch of those in Seattle neighborhoods, they work well.
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by kn0where on Saturday April 16, 2022 @06:11PM
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In my experience with the ones in Seattle, people who are turning left use the wrong side of the mini roundabout to save 3 seconds of driving time.
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by ajb on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:34PM
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The UK historically has lots of roundabouts, the design guidelines are here : https://www.google.com/url?q=https://trl.co.uk/uploads/trl/d...
Basically they recommend 28m diameter if you are going to have a central island, otherwise it should be a mini-roundabout (capable of being driven over)
Re:The Colorado Safety Stop is the law of the land
by alistairSH on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:50PM
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I’ll add that in my family’s home town (farming town in Perthshire) in Scotland, there are mini roundabouts that are just a spot of white paint in the middle of the intersection. It works fine.
Alternating two way stops (n/s at intersection one, e/w at intersection two) seems like maybe an ok way to reduce the problem by half at little to no cost?