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Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jacquesm on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:38AM (#31039014)
I don't think I subscribe to your worldview.

The way I look at it: in 2014 an otherwise peaceful Ukraine was invaded by its far larger and far stronger neighbor who entrenched themselves after robbing a bunch of territory on a pretext. Ukraine learned the hard way that they were underprepared, changed tactics and dramatically improved their military, while at the same time due to internal issues (mostly corruption) their larger neighbors saw the quality of their army decline.

Then, in recent times Russia decided that just having the Eastern part of Ukraine wasn't enough because those pesky Ukrainians were showing other countries in their sphere of influence (notably: Belarus, Georgia) that it was possible for a country to lift itself out of poverty by aligning with the West.

A complete lack of realistic estimates of operational readiness, underestimation of the Ukrainian resolve and a significant propaganda effort later the larger neighbor decided to finish what they started in 2014, which is roughly where we are today.

The West obviously stands a lot to gain from Ukraine not ending up in the same way as Belarus and so has a strong motivation to ensure that the new Russian imperialist effort fails. This, plus the fact that housing another 40 million refugees is not an option suffices to explain why the West is fairly eager to support Ukraine in its defense against Russia.

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Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jacquesm on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:53AM (#31039134)
> That's only shows you don't know nothing about the context of the conflict.

I think I'll bow out of the discussion here, whenever people start posting that video there isn't much left to talk about.

Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by vogre on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:58AM (#31039165)
Actually this is very multilayered conflict, which can not be described in two sentences.

The narrative "big bad Russia against small peaceful Ukraine" is very simplistic, and only leads to support of escalation of conflict.

Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jacquesm on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:03AM (#31039205)
Sorry, but after checking through your comment history I can no longer take your participation in this forum serious. If we had an 'ignore' feature I'd use it right about now, not because I disagree with you but because I don't think you are arguing in good faith.

FWIW: Big bad Russia against small peaceful Ukraine is the reality far more than any alternative that you might want to supply.

Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by Cthulhu_ on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:54AM (#31039633)
Who started said conflict though.
Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by vogre on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:29AM (#31040008)
Should I start with Peter The Great and Mazepa?
Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jonwithoutanh on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:30PM (#31047232)
you should be banned
Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by astine on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:11AM (#31039817)
You should actually watch that video rather than just posting it. Mearsheimer's whole thesis, that Russia is trying to "wreck" Ukraine in order to keep it out of NATO and wasn't motivated by territorial expansion has been falsified by the most recent invasion. Mearcheimer actually claimed in the video that you are linking that Russia wouldn't launch a full scale invasion because that would go against it's geo-strategic interests and yet here we are.
Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by vogre on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:48AM (#31072309)
Russia tried to avoid involving in Donbass for 8 years meddling with Minsk-2.

It's still not sure if it will take Donbass. All the new captured parts of Ukraine are becoming new or join existing "People's Republics". I won't be surprised if after the end of campaign, there still will be independent republics and some shaky agreement that will be broken by Ukraine in the first week.

Even first plan was apparently to overthrow government, not to gain some land.

On other hand, the tactics of West/Zelensky is to destroy the East as much as possible, killing as many people as possible, destroying as much infrastructure as possible.

Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jacquesm on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:08PM (#31073526)
This is so completely out of touch with reality it makes me worried for your health.
Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jabl on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:16AM (#31039312)
Ah, the good old "she was asking for it" school of international relations.
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Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by Cthulhu_ on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:55AM (#31039643)
Bruh, did you really just try to use victim blaming as an excuse? Who does the assaulting in this case? Which side is a criminal?

Please, think about what the actual fuck you're implying here.

Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by alienicecream on Friday April 15, 2022 @11:20AM (#31041210)
If you walk in to a lion cage at the zoo and tease the lions is it victim blaming to point out that you're making a mistake?
Re:What Is at Stake in Ukraine by jacquesm on Friday April 15, 2022 @11:54AM (#31041643)
Are you seriously comparing Putin to an animal and Russia to a zoo?