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Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by vasac on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:07AM (#31038003)
Yeah, Russians are responsible for bad things, real and invented. But if something good was done then it was done by Soviets.
Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by drran on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:54AM (#31038311)
Russians invade other countries because they are not capable to produce good things by themselves. They need someone to build advanced weapons, armor, ships, planes, rockets, goods for export. Good warriors are bad makers, usually.

For example, if you are incapable to build a house, then you need to hire someone to build it for you. If you have no money, but you have an army, then you can just enslave him instead. Russian Empire is the jail of nations.

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by rich_sasha on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:24AM (#31038923)
Hmm, well, not sure, actually weapon-making in USSR was mostly constrained to Russia proper. The more advanced the weapons, the more they were constrained.

Much of the “allies” produced simple bits of kit, but the advanced parts of them, designing etc were generally kept in Russia just in case.

Ukraine is a bit of an exception, I guess because it was seen as more of an “insider”. This is why their weapons industry is actually so comprehensive (anti ship missiles, anti tank weapons etc).

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by federoccco on Friday April 15, 2022 @07:09AM (#31038817)
2 of my Ukrainian great-grandfathers died in WW2, many other relatives that I do not know about. Were they Russians? Soviets did plenty of bad things, I don't get that jab. Many Russians now in Russia hate the Soviet moniker and look at the October Revolution as a catastrophe.

Only for Westerners Soviet == Russian, which puzzles me absolutely.

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by rich_sasha on Saturday April 16, 2022 @03:26AM (#31050382)
I think of the “Soviet block” as a Russian colonial empire. Like other such empires it drew ranks from different nationalities, ostensibly was ran for the benefit of all of its members, but really only for the Russians, though in a perverse way.

That way was the realisation (continuation?) of the “Great Russia” project. People may not have civil liberties, may be poor and terrorised, but the outside is terrified too.

Did the Ukrainians, Georgians and Estonians want nuclear standoffs with the US for its own sake? Did they want to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968?

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by hedora on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:31AM (#31040690)
Westerners are usually referring to the Russian leadership. There's a straight line of corruption from the Soviets to Putin.

Also, we're bad at geography, and "former soviet state" is easy / lazy.

Finally, I know lots of Ukrainians that grew up in Russia and vice versa, and can't really keep all the permutations straight. (As I can't for my colleagues from any continent.)

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by federoccco on Friday April 15, 2022 @12:08PM (#31041841)
a bit of nitpicking — but the Soviet Union never really had predominantly Russian leadership, which would be disproportionate to the Russian part of the Soviet population. Lenin was from a Russian noble but ethnically diverse family. Stalin was a Georgian and spoke Russian with an incredibly thick accent to the end of his life. Khrushchev and Brezhnev were Ukrainians, and so on.

But I get your point, and now it makes more sense to me.

I see in Putin more of that monarchist strain — chauvinism from the times of Imperial Russia, which indeed was so much focused on that "RRR-Russian" identity, much more "blood and soil" ideology. And add to that Late Soviet state "efficiency".