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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by Tarragon on Thursday April 14, 2022 @05:09PM (#31033334)
Sure, I'll believe that an ammunition fire on the Moskva is what sank it. Hower that fire was caused by... Top contenders are missile and inept crew.

Looks like Russia would rather we accept that the crew was inept than it was sun by a Ukrainian made missile

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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by netsharc on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:53PM (#31034449)
Someone should remake "The front fell off" video[1] but fitting the context: A Russian reporter interviewing the Russian defense minister.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by dekhn on Thursday April 14, 2022 @05:14PM (#31033375)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_and_ultimate_causati... note the very first example is a sinking ship
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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by pmoriarty on Thursday April 14, 2022 @05:22PM (#31033481)
"Top contenders are missile and inept crew."

It could also be sabotage by a Russian crewmember or foreign infiltrator.

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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by jacquesm on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:55PM (#31034480)
You forgot the aliens.
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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by vba616 on Friday April 15, 2022 @03:41AM (#31037537)
Literally in this same thread people are referencing a well-known case of sabotage on an American ship not that long ago. Said to have caused severe damage.

On a Russian ship, though, it's as absurd an idea as space aliens?

I don't wish to debate hypotheticals, because I generally am not certain about uncertain things.

On a meta level, though, I am very curious where other people get their certainty from. I would like to hear more about how you identify paranoid fantasies.

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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by jacquesm on Friday April 15, 2022 @06:27AM (#31038536)
On a Russian ship currently actively involved in a war that was claimed to have been hit by a missile that stands off-shore way over the horizon yes, sabotage is just as absurd as space aliens.
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Re:Moskva cruiser sank while being towed in a storm – Russia... by vba616 on Saturday April 16, 2022 @07:22PM (#31056974)
>On a Russian ship currently actively involved in a war that was claimed to have been hit by a missile that stands off-shore way over the horizon yes, sabotage is just as absurd as space aliens.

I don't understand what you are saying at all.

Sabotage can't happen during a war?

Or sabotage can't happen on a ship that wasn't hit by a missile?

Or sabotage can't happen on a ship that was hit by a missile?

Or sabotage can't happen to Russians at all?

Or sabotage by Russians can't happen on one of their ships?

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