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Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Thursday April 14, 2022 @02:58PM (#31031660)
A company is not a bag of potatoes in the market to sell at the whims of the highest bidder.

Here is what would be looking after their fiduciary duties:

The company had a loss of 200 million dollars this year. Was only profitable 2 years out of its 16 years of existence. The board should state that Twitter in the hands of Elon Musk, could jeopardize its current unique and somewhat also precarious, place in social media.

The company should ask Elon Musk, to first explain to shareholders what he plans to do with the company, and how it would benefit them. Provide details on shape and form of how his plan would be implemented. Until then, rejecting the offer is looking after their fiduciary duties.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by nonethewiser on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:45PM (#31032320)
I think you have it backwards. Twitter has always struggled, usually losing money, and Musk is coming in with a cash offer. He doesn't need to change anything for this to be a financial relief to shareholders. Not to mention shareholders will no longer have an interest in the company, as it will become private. There really isn't any impetus to prove Twitter's future will be better (and better than what? bad?)
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by hooande on Thursday April 14, 2022 @07:40PM (#31034910)
Say the board has a reason to believe that Twitter is going to double in value in the next two years. ie, they have a secret "Twitter Gold" product that they are certain will triple profits.

It would be a disservice to me, as an investor, if they sold the company at a value of $54/share knowing that it could easily be worth much more than that in the near future. As a shareholder, I hired this board specifically to make decisions with information that isn't public. I either trust them or I don't.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by Siira on Friday April 15, 2022 @04:33AM (#31037826)
> I either trust them or I don't.

“False dichotomy”

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Thursday April 14, 2022 @04:01PM (#31032507)
That is the whole point of my argument. As a director, I am rejecting the offer because my fiduciary duty, it to veil for the future of the company, not the bank account of the shareholders :-)
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by simonk on Thursday April 14, 2022 @09:13PM (#31035616)
The fiduciary duty is to the shareholders not the company.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Friday April 15, 2022 @06:15PM (#31046566)
In most countries it's not.

[1] "The court reviewed and affirmed the following principals:"

"...Directors do not, by virtue of their office, owe fiduciary duties to shareholders. Circumstances may arise in which duties are owed but only by way of exception. To achieve this, there here must be something unusual in the nature of the relationship. Special circumstances which “replicate the salient features of well-established categories of fiduciary relationships” must be present."

"...The mere fact that a director has access to the company’s affairs, or that their actions have potential to impact shareholders, does not, of itself, amount to “special circumstances“, or give rise to a special relationship. These are “inevitable” features of the relationship between directors and shareholders..."

"...The purchase of shares from a shareholder is not (on its own) sufficient to create a fiduciary duty. Even in a situation where a director is purchasing shares from a shareholder, the existence of such a duty depends on the existence of special circumstances..."

[1] https://www.morrlaw.com/commercial-law/director-shareholder-...

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by timmg on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:37PM (#31034278)
> A company is not a bag of potatoes in the market to sell at the whims of the highest bidder.

That's exactly what it is. Stocks trade on an open market. Twitter went public. They chose to become a commodity. That's how commodities work.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Thursday April 14, 2022 @07:13PM (#31034675)
No. They choose to go public to finance based on the public funds instead of asking a bank loan. You go public and sell shares to get money from investors. Then you do what you think is best for the company, not the shareholders. If the company does well, hopefully the shareholders do also.

Amazon stock price went nowhere for years, no profit, but investors stick with the company. Sometimes the investors are VC's, sometimes they are the bank of Mom and Dad, and sometimes they are the stock market.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by ksdale on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:12PM (#31031891)
It will be rather difficult for the board to argue that it's satisfying it's fiduciary duty by rejecting an offer with such a high premium so the current shareholders can continue to own a company that's losing money.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by carlosdp on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:18PM (#31031977)
> The board should state that Twitter in the hands of Elon Musk, could jeopardize its current unique and somewhat also precarious, place in social media.

But see, this point is irrelevant in this scenario. If they sell, every current shareholder gets bought out in full, they no longer have a stake in the company. He could shut it down the next day and it wouldn't affect the former shareholders, the company's future at that point is only Elon (and Twitter employees' and users') concern.

It's fiduciary duty to the shareholders, not the company itself, not the employees.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:34PM (#31032176)
A board works for the company not directly the shareholders. Shareholders think they are the owners of a company but they are not.

"Shareholders think they own the company — they are wrong":

https://www.ft.com/content/7bd1b20a-879b-11e5-90de-f44762bf9...

"Board of directors have a fiduciary duty to exercise due care in how they manage a corporation's affairs and also have the duty of loyalty and obedience to the corporation. A fiduciary duty means that both directors and officers handle their powers only for the collective benefit of the corporation AND (my emphasis) its stockholders."

https://www.upcounsel.com/board-of-directors-fiduciary-duty

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by nonethewiser on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:46PM (#31032331)
> Shareholders think they are the owners of a company but they are not.

They are. That's what a shareholder is.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:52PM (#31032411)
See article I linked from FT for the rationale.

You can have all 100% of the shares, and there are still things the law can punish you for, like running a company to the ground. You can't say: I owned 100% of the shares, so ordered the board to set fire to it as I though the flames would be beautiful and would give me a calming ego trip.

Shareholders can't order any type of action from directors, just because they might have votes to elect them.

Look at Facebook, and the CEO special shares. Do you think you are an owner of Facebook or a passenger along for the ride?

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by carlosdp on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:53PM (#31034453)
> Look at Facebook, and the CEO special shares. Do you think you are an owner of Facebook or a passenger along for the ride?

That's not a great example, because in Facebook's structure, Zuck has special class shares which give him 10x the voting power of regular shares, per share. So he actually does have the majority of the shareholder power, irrespective of any rationale of the responsibility of directors.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Thursday April 14, 2022 @07:50PM (#31034991)
And why did he do that? Because he founded Facebook as Director/Owner and want's to drive the company the direction he wants. Once more, it's about the governance of the company the priority. He did not put first optimization of the shareholders profit. That hopefully will come.

Or to give another variation on my argument. Let's assume that with his decisions on governance, he embarks on a road that provides for a steady stream of profits, on a new domain of guaranteed margin and high entry barrier for competitors.

A business model that will provide steady, slow, stable, but minimal grow. That will be good for the company on the long term, but not that good for shareholders returns. The lack of grow is unlikely to create a stock price increase.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by nicky0 on Friday April 15, 2022 @01:24AM (#31036831)
You don’t seem to understand. If Elon buys 100% of shares, it will become a private company. It won’t be traded on a stock market any more, and won’t have a share price.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:41PM (#31046226)
If he buys 100% of the shares the company can still be traded and shares will have a price. Shares can traded over the counter or via private deals. Just not through the Nasdaq.

The point here is that he does not own the company yet, and directors are the managers of the company and free to run it as they see fit.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by cbozeman on Friday April 15, 2022 @12:41PM (#31042350)
You have a hilarious misunderstanding of the financial system, and using Financial Times is proof of it.

Like a lot of HN posters, you seem to have zero understanding of the rules behind the rules and think what's actually found codified in law somewhere sitting on a shelf is how things actually work. It isn't.

If it was, Hunter Biden would be in jail, the last 4 or 5 American presidents should be impeached and in prison for war crimes, most of the high level executives at large banks would in jail after 2008.

Shareholders can absolutely order directors to act on their whim, or guess what happens at the next shareholder meeting? That board director gets fired.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by belter on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:35PM (#31046161)
Being the FT, the article is written from a UK perspective but not entirely. Does not look like you read it, and I am only using it as an example of my rationale.

I will post here some partial quotes and you can read the rest if you are interested.

"...Shareholders own the corporation, and the duty of the directors to maximise shareholder value follows from that. I have lost count of the number of times I have been told “that is the law”. But it is not the law. Certainly not in America, as Lynn Stout, a professor at Cornell University Law School, has pointed out..."

"...Shareholders in England have more rights — but even there, the obligation of a company director is to promote the success of the company for the benefit of the members. The company comes first, the benefit to the members follows from its success. And English shareholders are definitely not owners. The Court of Appeal declared in 1948 that “shareholders are not, in the eyes of the law, part owners of the company”. In 2003, the House of Lords reaffirmed that ruling, in un­equivocal terms..."

"...Ownership is not a simple concept..."

"...But shares give their holders no right of possession and no right of use. If shareholders go to the company premises, they will more likely than not be turned away..."

"...Shareholders do not have the right to manage the company in which they hold an interest, and even their right to appoint the people who do is largely theoretical. They are entitled only to such part of the income as the directors declare as dividends, and have no right to the proceeds of the sale of corporate assets — except in the event of the liquidation of the entire company, in which case they will get what is left; not much, as a rule..."

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by mbrumlow on Friday April 15, 2022 @12:47AM (#31036673)
He wants to take it private. The benefit is getting to exit at 54.20.