Re:I liked the idea of carbon offsets until I tried to expla...
by namdnay on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:33AM
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why? we tax cigarettes at the point of consumption and that has worked fine.
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Re:I liked the idea of carbon offsets until I tried to expla...
by dTal on Monday April 11, 2022 @12:34PM
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Because you should tax the thing you want to stop. Burning carbon is absolutely fine, provided the carbon originally came from the atmosphere and not buried deposits. It's the open-loop cycle that's the problem. The moment you dig it up, eventually it's bound for atmosphere. You want to financially encourage the development of "green" petroleum - nobody will bother if it's taxed all the same.
Also, if you try and individually tax the hundreds of thousands of different uses for carbon, according to how much carbon each thing uses, inevitably you'll get it wrong, and this will create inefficiencies and perverse incentives to do arbitrage between the various poorly calibrated taxes. What you want is for the market to figure it all out!
Re:I liked the idea of carbon offsets until I tried to expla...
by thargor90 on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:56AM
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Supply chains are not 100% transparent.
We know how bad one unit of "cigarette" is for our health, but we don't know how bad one unit of xxx is for the environment. An apple can have a co2 footprint of multiple tons of co2 or zero tons of co2. We can't know for sure.
Re:I liked the idea of carbon offsets until I tried to expla...
by initplus on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:34PM
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Products don’t come with a label measuring how much oil was burned in their production. Even if the manufacturer wanted to know, tracing that detail through their entire supply chain is really difficult. Preventing fraud is also very challenging.
Whereas if you tax at extraction this is automatically take into account at every step of the supply chain. The market does all the hard work for you.
Re:I liked the idea of carbon offsets until I tried to expla...
by imtringued on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:06AM
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Taxing carbon at the point of consumption is like taxing a product if the manufacturers' employees have smoked at the point of consumption. How are you going to enforce that? A product that was manufactured by smokers and non smokers looks identical.