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Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by hprotagonist on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:33PM (#30978706)
we'd have to change our understanding of how all the particles in the universe work.

Well, remember the new paper? We're pretty much entering that worst case scenario.

I believe you mean "best case"! There was much hue and cry after the Higgs discovery because the result, at least from the outside, seemed like "welp, we predicted a thing and found it and we don't have any new physics to disagree with; what a letdown!"

worst case here would be something like "oh, we thought it was 7 sigma, but actually we can completely account for the discrepancy because the instrument deformed slowly under its own weight for the last decade and now we're 4 angstroms off and we still don't have any new physics to disagree with!"

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by brtkdotse on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:21PM (#30979302)
> the instrument deformed slowly under its own weight for the last decade and now we're 4 angstroms off

This was hilarious and plausible at the same time. Nice work!

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by smueller1234 on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:34PM (#30979452)
Totally plausible indeed! One of the recent (past decade or so) major mistaken discoveries in particle physics was a cabling issue.

And from a different field, but closer to the quip: semiconductor lithography lenses' own weight causes stresses that cause birefringence in the optics that has to be explicitly corrected for. And that was true 20 years ago already.

(Recovering particle physicist here and thinking about this even much later gives me mild trauma. ;) )

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by heavyset_go on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @10:15PM (#31022719)
> One of the recent (past decade or so) major mistaken discoveries in particle physics was a cabling issue.

Have more info on this or link about it?

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by perihelions on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @10:23PM (#31022778)
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by smueller1234 on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:57AM (#31023822)
Yes, thank you, that's the one I was thinking about. Apologies for not naming/linking it in the first place.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by adgjlsfhk1 on Thursday April 14, 2022 @12:44AM (#31023492)
"EM Drive" also probably counts.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by ben_w on Thursday April 14, 2022 @04:22AM (#31024488)
From what I’ve been hearing, EM drive is more of “didn’t do the maths” followed by shoestring-budget “might as well try it, we have some spare lab space” work getting squished in between the serious projects.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by heavyset_go on Thursday April 14, 2022 @02:03PM (#31030781)
Thanks
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by extrapickles on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @08:57PM (#31022216)
The Pioneer spacecraft speed anomaly turned out to be forgetting to account for the small amount of thrust from photons generated by the heat of the spacecraft (~1kph per decade).
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by Ferrotin on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @08:58PM (#31022226)
I thought they were, but with an oversimplified model.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by PeterisP on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @09:49PM (#31022558)
It's like the six-sigma result of CERN OPERA experiment showing neutrinos travaling slightly faster than speed of light - which was ultimately caused by a fiber cable between clocks not being fully tightened and thus causing a tiny delay and messing up the measurements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_ano...

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by pfdietz on Thursday April 14, 2022 @08:15AM (#31025866)
Experiments can detect all sorts of things, including new unanticipated subtle experimental artifacts.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by godelski on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:23AM (#31023672)
Definition of Science:

1 a : a study where participants seek to disprove their own conjectures

  b: the practice of getting excited when proven wrong because it means more work
2 : a complex study where everything that can go wrong will go wrong, often small or trivial errors (frequently difficult to observe) leading to insanity within participants as they have an existential crisis coming to terms with a new world paradigm, only to then have it shattered (again) when they realize their mistake.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by thunderbong on Friday April 15, 2022 @03:23AM (#31037415)
I'm intrigued by how you got to lighten the text on the second line of your comment. I don't see anything on the formatting help page [0]

https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by pygy_ on Thursday April 14, 2022 @09:16AM (#31026567)
The process of getting the world as it can be experienced and its cultural representation to converge by updating the latter.

Power is the same, but acting on the former.

Stay away from mirrors or that definition collapses on itself.

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by loopz on Thursday April 14, 2022 @07:00AM (#31025263)
3 : being open-minded of what is possible.
Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by ngcc_hk on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:10AM (#31024991)
The great new is the past model does not work in some cases and we can now reduce it. Qm and R both does not refute all past science. Unlike the model we are the centre of universe and got 4 elements etc which is totally overruled.

The question we still do not have any after standard model. Whilst we have some big question similar to ultraviolet crazy (like today vaccuum space has so much energy the world has been gone in 10 power negative 30 sec) etc.

Still waiting.

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by naikrovek on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @10:12PM (#31022702)
yep, I came here to say this. gaining understanding is a very good outcome.

SO WHAT if it means other things are wrong? we need to know what we are wrong about if we are ever to get any of it right.

Re:Scientists are worried about the W Boson: 'Something is a... by rob_c on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @09:21PM (#31022369)
A reanalysis of data from a stopped detector wont continue to deform but nice try...