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Re:Middle managers fear they've become irrelevant with work ... by ineptech on Saturday April 09, 2022 @03:18PM (#30971085)
And in my experience, if more than 5 people are working together to do the same thing, one of them is going to be the manager, whether you call them that or not. We do it intentionally and explicitly because that's more likely to lead to a good manager then just letting someone take charge.
Re:Middle managers fear they've become irrelevant with work ... by jghn on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:19PM (#30971638)
I don't think that contradicts what GP is saying, or perhaps I misunderstand them. 5 directs per manager. So 10 engineers = 2 managers. But at 25 engineers you have 5 managers, and now you've maxed out their manager.

Either way, my experience has been 5-10 directs as the sweet spot. 12-15 is fine but really pushing things. Beyond that, you need more structure.