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Re:The United States Digital Corps by godelski on Friday April 08, 2022 @01:39PM (#30960163)
I think you better gave examples of government being inefficient. But also I was to add that there are places that do milk the government. Both of these can be true. It's not homogeneous. But you're right that we should be more nuanced and it's good to have an insider perspective.

For a more funny example of your point, I like The Pentagon Wars' Bradley tank evolution

https://youtu.be/aXQ2lO3ieBA

Re:The United States Digital Corps by samhw on Friday April 08, 2022 @02:56PM (#30961099)
This got me reading about the history of 'armored fighting vehicles', and eventually this early model, which I still can't stop laughing at: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Simms_Mo... It, uh, certainly can't be faulted for its complexity.
Re:The United States Digital Corps by crooked-v on Friday April 08, 2022 @05:32PM (#30962761)
That's actually kind of a brilliant design given the time period, once you look at other designs of the era that either have no idea what they actually want to accomplish, or try to do everything and so succeed at nothing at all, or both.
Re:The United States Digital Corps by samhw on Friday April 08, 2022 @05:59PM (#30963033)
Oh, tell me about it. I think that's the kind of innovation that's happening now with the drone warfare you see in Ukraine. People tell me that "Russia has 100k tanks to Ukraine's 10k", and I think: those high-level numbers do not matter; what matters is what happens when the two meet on the battlefield. If one $50k drone can consistently take out millions of dollars of equipment, it doesn't matter how expensive or numerous that equipment was, or how good it would be at fighting some hypothesised similar adversary.

The superpowers of the world have gone through several successive 'generations' of military technology without really having a war in which to use them. (Just skirmishes with pre-industrial desert and jungle people, and the occasional mismatched murky proxy war with export-grade technology.) These mega-elaborate aircraft carriers and fighter jets and tanks are like radar-enabled cavalry, and will be taken out with drones and handheld rockets, and whichever modern-day Kroll is clever enough to strategise will make an absolute, uh, killing.

Re:The United States Digital Corps by godelski on Friday April 08, 2022 @06:38PM (#30963362)
As someone that works in ML, this is actually what is concerning to me. Everyone is talking about AGI (artificial general intelligence) but I don't think that's something of huge concern yet. We have already entered a world where you can create drone "mines". It is cheap and easy to build a drone that can have an explosive payload, hide, and automatically seek out enemy combatants or vehicles. (Note that drones are pretty difficult to detect) The tech is a little difficult now and requires oversight if you don't want to violate international war laws, but it is definitely possible (and rapidly getting better).

> If one $50k drone can consistently take out millions of dollars of equipment, it doesn't matter how expensive or numerous that equipment was, or how good it would be at fighting some hypothesised similar adversary.

Because this isn't true anymore. It is really a $1k drone being able to take out millions of dollars of equipment with a 70+% success rate. That's a real game changer.

We don't need AGI to for ML to be dangerous. We just need people to use existing algorithms dangerously and/or recklessly.

Re:The United States Digital Corps by bmelton on Friday April 08, 2022 @02:08PM (#30960535)
The accurate familiarity of that is exactly why I ~no longer~ work with the government
Re:The United States Digital Corps by throwaway0a5e on Friday April 08, 2022 @02:31PM (#30960803)
It's amazing (in the most uncharitable sense of the word) that a bunch of private sector office workers who joke about how relatable The Office is don't realize that stuff like Pentagon Wars (for feds) and Parks and Rec (for state and local government) are also basically documentaries for their respective industries.

I could mortar the cognitive dissonance together and build a wall.

Re:The United States Digital Corps by TYPE_FASTER on Friday April 08, 2022 @02:40PM (#30960920)
That was amazing