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Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by HarryHirsch on Friday April 08, 2022 @10:09AM (#30956945)
In the 80's a much smaller chunk of paycheck went into housing.
Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by refurb on Friday April 08, 2022 @10:40AM (#30957426)
Not really.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/where_d...

Percent of income spent on housing for low income households went from 35% (1984) to 41% (2014).

So higher, yes, but it wasn’t “much smaller”.

Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by beeboop on Friday April 08, 2022 @01:57PM (#30960386)
What these stats often miss, including this one at a glance, is that they're looking at average housing cost across the entire country. Housing in Detroit is definitely a lot cheaper than it was 20 years ago, but in Seattle and Portland and Denver and places people actually want to live, it's soared. These stats also often don't address how many people in a household are working and how that's changed over time. There's a lot more dual incomes for a "household budget" in 2014 than there was in 1984. If your household income has nearly doubled, and you're going from 35% of your household budget to 41%, this could mean the cost of housing has actually doubled or more.
Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by HarryHirsch on Friday April 08, 2022 @07:09PM (#30963611)
35 % on a single income vs 41 % on a double income. That's "antifragile", as they say, an unsafe position to be in, especially when the next recession is on the doorstep.

Me? Trying to find a property to buy in Western Massachusetts that's affordable on one income. Not looking good.

Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by refurb on Friday April 08, 2022 @07:30PM (#30963747)
You think most families were single income in the 80’s?

Women entering the workforce happened mostly by the late 70’s.

Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by HarryHirsch on Friday April 08, 2022 @08:34PM (#30964143)
Lots of headroom left on the 1970's, prices are set at the margin: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU01300002

Housing prices on the other hand - mostly stable until the 1980's, and then shelter became an investment vehicle: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU01300002

The prediction is that we will have a period of monetary inflation to deal with the problem of asset inflation.

Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by refurb on Friday April 08, 2022 @08:55PM (#30964274)
My point stands. The vast majority of households were dual income in 1984. Since then house expenses have only increase by 5%.

The real issue is people in HCOL cities think their experience is the same across America.

Plenty of places in the US where housing is still affordable.

Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by HarryHirsch on Friday April 08, 2022 @10:06PM (#30964654)
What kind of salary can you get in LCOL cities, and will you have to move when you change jobs? The withdrawal from the countryside has been ongoing for a long time. In the 1980's one might have joined Dow in Midland, MI or Upjohn in Kalamazoo, and expected to retire with them. Nowadays, job tenures are short, and one would think that this is reflected in demand.
Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by refurb on Friday April 08, 2022 @11:42PM (#30965115)
You realize the Upjohn plant in Kalamazoo is now Pfizer's largest manufacturing site in the US? They actually did the final packaging of their Covid vaccine there.

I have a friend who has worked there for 20 years. He's not making Bay area wages, but he also bought his house for $150k a decade ago (houses are now ~$250k). Public schools are great.

There is no way to "have your cake and eat it too". Large cities are expensive because that's where people want to live and wages are high. In exchange housing is highly priced.

There are plenty of smaller cities with affordable housing. Sure, you might be limited to a handful of employers and yeah, your wages will never be at coastal levels, but that's the trade off.

Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by voisin on Friday April 08, 2022 @10:49AM (#30957595)
I’d love to see the stats today or closer to today. Prices have skyrocketed since 2014.
Re:Mortgage rates just hit 5%. Buying a home has become a lo... by refurb on Friday April 08, 2022 @11:02AM (#30957886)
Sure but current prices in many areas have only returned to their 2007 peak.