Re:The remarkable brain of a carpet cleaner who speaks 24 la...
by jhanschoo on Thursday April 07, 2022 @02:04PM
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I think the phenomenon of few multilingual people in the Anglosphere is the result of little actual social necessity or benefit from actually conversing in another language in everyday life, making it both more useless and more difficult to acquire. And they have good company as education subjects that the market doesn't value much that then acquire a cultural premium: with fine art and philosophy.
I think this becomes more acute when one's profession is specialized and the professional circle doesn't value multilingualism, especially because of how much harder it is to become exposed to the genre/technical writing and jargon of your professional language in another language, as opposed to mundane professions.
Re:The remarkable brain of a carpet cleaner who speaks 24 la...
by Uniblaab on Saturday April 09, 2022 @05:37PM
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In just guessing, but I bet its connected to the fact that you are measuring American English against the other languages. Its tightly connected to the fact that the dollar is the de-facto monetary standard to trade in the world. Other countries have to speak English to get involved but since we already do, there isnt a real reason besides intellectual curiosity to do the reverse.So we are uni-lingual while other countries have to be able to buy sugar in their native tongue and speak English when they want it shipped to their country. The truth of the matter is that virtually every modern immigrant -leaving out the Europization of America- is multi-lingual. If it were the basis of intelligence Americans would be behind the scholarship. So not an mysterious situation. Its because trade starts in many ways with the dollar, so no need to be multilingual.
In California, my social circle is mostly PhDs. These are phenomenally smart people. You go to a JPL party and the average IQ has to be 2 or 3 standard deviations above the mean. There are a lot of rooms where I'm by far the dumbest person. But most people I know are either unilingual or bilingual. Even in Southern California, a majority of people have sub-conversational levels of Spanish. I know very few people who are conversationally trilingual. Where I grew up in Canada, E/F bilingualism was somewhat common but very, very, very few people spoke a third language and most people had halting French. I'm in Ireland right now and native-born Irish speak English and a culpa focal of Irish, and that's about it.
What this says to me is that it's pretty unlikely that a country's tendency towards multilingualism is meaningfully correlated with education or economic status. And while I know the idea of measuring "intelligence" is completely fraught, I can at least say it seems unlikely that a random sample of people in one place are as intelligent as JPL people.
All this to say that in all three of the anglosphere countries I've lived in, people seem to have a mental block on the idea that a second language is essential, or that a third or fourth language are even feasible. Someone who fluently speaks four languages is considered a polyglot, a freakshow, some kind of Beautiful Mind. But then you go to Netherlands or Switzerland or Morocco and it's normal. And the reason for this isn't obvious to me: it doesn't seem to relate to income, education, it doesn't seem to obviously correlate with intelligence. It seems to just reflect some kind of cultural premium placed on language acquisition. I'd love to read more about why this is.