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Re:We're Not Even Close to EVs Being as Cheap as Gas Cars, M... by robocat on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:50PM (#30914828)
> Your primary costs end up being the tires.

And eventually battery replacement. “every Tesla vehicle’s battery is covered by an eight-year warranty”, and “For all variants the Model S and Model X, [the warranty covers] 150,000 miles, while the Model 3 Standard Range has it covered for 100,000. In the case of the Long Range and Performance versions of the Model 3, [the warranty is] 120,000 miles”.

I guess we don’t know yet how long the median battery will last but probably longer than the warranty, depending on how it is charged and other context. Battery replacement costs are currently very expensive, but perhaps will drop. Certainly battery replacement cost can’t be ignored, unless the vehicle is just scrapped because the battery replacement costs too much.

Re:We're Not Even Close to EVs Being as Cheap as Gas Cars, M... by pxue on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:52PM (#30915128)
Hard to say. Warranty covers "normal usage", maybe defined by mild californian weather.

Severe heat or cold wrecks havoc on battery life. Even in southern Canada I am certain you won't get anywhere near the 8 full years, now imaging you live anywhere that gets down to -30C frequently during the winter.

That's my biggest concern right now, heating an electric car uses the battery as heat is NOT a byproduct of an electric engine. Very impractical in the winter.

Re:We're Not Even Close to EVs Being as Cheap as Gas Cars, M... by simfree on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:26AM (#30915289)
Once the battery and car is up to temp the range loss isn't very bad. I had the opportunity to spend a few weeks driving EVs in western Canada over the past winter, and even a crummy Fiat still has about 100km range when its -11c (aka -12f) out despite its nearly decade old battery with 120,000km (75,000 miles) on the odometer.
Re:We're Not Even Close to EVs Being as Cheap as Gas Cars, M... by robocat on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:59PM (#30927127)
I have just noticed that the warranties are probably only workmanship warranties, to protect consumers against defects (in the manufacture, assembly, delivery and servicing of their EV). They probably don’t protect consumers against deterioration of their EV battery health/performance?

A 2016 NZ estimate of a second hand Nissan Leaf (compared against a second hand Nissan Pulsar), the battery replacement costs about as much as the savings in electricity costs i.e. the Leaf is quite possibly no better for the environment overall? Scroll to bottom of https://genless.govt.nz/assets/Everyone-Resources/ev-battery... - although it strongly depends on whether replacement battery prices dropped or how electricity prices moved.