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Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by krapp on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:55PM (#30913971)
Google Glass didn't fail because it was dorky, it failed because people understand Google to be a surveillance and advertising company and the prospect of Glass serving as an always on, always streaming, always interpreting Panopticon was too much for people to take.

You're right about "toots," though. At least "tweets" make sense for a site named Twitter, but what is a "toot," a mastodon farting?

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#30914110)
People understand that? that must be why people also avoid Gmail, Google Drive, Chrome, Android, Google Search...
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by function_seven on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:34PM (#30914271)
It's one thing to use these tools yourself. It's quite another to walk around in public pointing a camera at everyone you look at, all the time.

You're technically correct. Using Gmail, Drive, Chrome, etc., does place a small burden on those you interact with (when they email you, when you store group project files, etc.)

But there's a whole other level of intrusiveness when you're roaming meatspace with a Google Camera in everyone's face.

Oh, and it's dorky as hell. Glass failed on multiple fronts. For the reasons you listed as well as the parent comment.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chrisin2d on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:08PM (#30914077)
If concerns about privacy were widespread enough to stop Google Glass, then surely they would have prevented the mass adoption of always listening, always streaming voice assistant devices.

I think that privacy should be a greater public concern, but I doubt it was the reason why Google Glass failed to catch on.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by krapp on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:03PM (#30914506)
>then surely they would have prevented the mass adoption of always listening, always streaming voice assistant devices

There's something viscerally more creepy about having a camera pointed directly in your face at all times. Try holding your cellphone up to random people at about eye level, you'll see that people do in fact find that at least annoying.

>I think that privacy should be a greater public concern, but I doubt it was the reason why Google Glass failed to catch on.

As I recall, it was the only thing people were talking about.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by kemayo on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:06PM (#30914525)
There's a distinction, though, which I think would matter to people. Smart assistants are things you choose for yourself -- they don't get put in your home without your involvement. Google Glass was something someone else chose for you.

(Also it was very expensive, clunky looking, and buggy. As you say, it's multifaceted.)

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by fomine3 on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:49PM (#30914824)
So do average people avoid Facebook?
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by brimble on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:57PM (#30913988)
As in "to toot a horn". Like a trunk. Of an elephant. Or a mastodon.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by SkyMarshal on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#30914105)
Krapp is right though, "tooting" is also slang in some places for farting.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZUvuvfDQg

It's also old slang for a drinking bender:

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/on+a+toot

Mastadon really should have done a little more due dilligence before deciding on that term.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:18PM (#30914153)
Indeed. When you're talking about image, "hey guys it doesn't necessarily mean elephant farts" doesn't work.

Even ignoring that, the word "tweet" viscerally feels light, nimble, quick, and sharp. Toot feels heavier, duller, and more imposing. To end users, the interface is the software and no amount of technical or logistical impressiveness will overcome something being viscerally off-putting. It needs to become attractive in spite of that.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by rapnie on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:54AM (#30915713)
> Even ignoring that, the word "tweet" viscerally feels light, nimble, quick, and sharp.

It did, until Twitter spoiled that. Hearing 'tweet' I somehow get associations with 'trump' (also slang for fart in British English, btw) and 'musk' (a strong odor).

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:01PM (#30926734)
Sure— nothing that visible will stay untarnished forever. Not to everybody, anyway. Starting out pre-tarnished makes it a lot harder to get enough adoption for a brand to withstand that, especially for an image-focused product. Facebook only had the opportunity to become a sad hot mess because they affected preppy ivy league exclusivity instead of launching as "OpenPorpoisePost.org" or some other FOSSy name. We'd never have heard of H&M had they been named "Tootin' Duds".
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by brimble on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:19PM (#30914158)
Yeah, I know. But I'm pretty sure if Twitter'd gone this way and here we had the open-source clone using the name "twitter", we'd all be writing about how hopeless their branding is because it's very easy to make "twit" jokes about it.

[EDIT] nb I don't use Mastodon and don't expect it to take off, but I don't think "toot" is at all the reason for that.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:24PM (#30914189)
I don't think anybody implied it was the sole reason.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by brimble on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:30PM (#30914242)
Sure, that's fair. I just think it's so minor that it's not any part of the reason. Companies with all their professional branding experts and such do things that are every bit as easy to ridicule, all the time. Mostly it goes fine and people take it the way it's intended.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:05PM (#30914518)
Every profession has its gaffes but that doesn't negate the folly of deliberately ill-conceived work done by amateurs. Technically mature infrastructures crashing wouldn't negate the folly of a first-time developer trying to launch a public service with loopdy-looped cargo-culted spaghetti code on a shared host gator VPS.

Adoption is really important for social media to succeed and be useful to its users and image is really important for social media adoption, generally, even if not for you. But I guarantee its influenced your choices more than you could feasibly perceive. Would you still use HN if it used the default bootstrap layouts? Or a ton of slick graphics and heavy animations? Would enough other people be put off by it not to bother?

You can't guarantee everything will strike everyone the same way, but there are wrong answers and it's not even mostly subjective. In an alternate Twitter-free universe if someone wanted a noun/verb for a deliberately lightweight communication broadcast into the ether over the internet, I'd bank a grand on marketers agreeing that a cheerful, sharp little chirp from a nimble, energetic bird communicates that better than the plaintive sounding crescendo of a giant plodding extinct earthbound mammal which also is outdated slang for a fart.

Nobody user is out there weight the pros and cons of the post name when deciding a social network— it's all about that first visceral impression that makes people think "this is cool and exciting" or "this is dull and lame."

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by michaelsbradley on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:17PM (#30914146)
Long live tooting!

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     /      \._/              '.
    /  .-.-                     \
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         snd   |   |./'  :__ \.-'
               '--'

I'm not sure who "snd" is, but they drew a nice tooter :)

(hopefully anticipating a "trunk raised, toot blasting" ascii art response worthy of the thread)

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by Nextgrid on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:57PM (#30913992)
> a mastodon farting

While that's not the true meaning behind it, "a mastodon farting" is a good summary for the branding around all these "fediverse" social networks.