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Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by lesuorac on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:24AM (#30906964)
I would recommend reading the ePrivacy Directive [1] and understanding it before you try to roll it back (see Chesterton's fence).

It's really a very reasonable rule. Before you use somebody else's computer you have to ask for permission. In fact cookie only turns up once in the PDF as it's an example of something you (the webserver) may want to store on somebody else's machine. If you think this request isn't reasonable I have a cryptominer I'd be happy to put on your machine.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_and_Electronic_Communi...

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by actually_a_dog on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:33AM (#30907079)
Yes, but companies have mostly chosen the most annoying method they possibly could have to implement that. If either non-strictly necessary cookies were required to be off by default, or there were a button that does the equivalent of denying all non-essential cookies, then you'd be halfway there. If it weren't a modal, but a small banner at the top or bottom of the screen that allowed you to operate with non-strictly necessary cookies turned off and gave you options to turn them on, that would be even better.

I guess the EU just needs better product managers or something.

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by rektide on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:54AM (#30907352)
> It's really a very reasonable rule. Before you use somebody else's computer you have to ask for permission.

Your own example of a cryptominer shows how incorrect your idealized statement is: there is nothing to prevent websites from running cryptominers. Some do. It's not illegal.

This idea of consent is idealized & fluffy & sounds neat & compact, but every time we open a website we are letting sandboxed but fairly arbitrary code run, code that can talk to & connect to a huge amount of othrr systems (CORS permitting).

The flipside is that it's your browser, your useragent. You are free to write extensions or disable javascript or block images or block 3rd party traffic or whatever.

And that kind of brings me around to cookies & the EU mandate here. Im not sure why a human interface here splashed on each page is at all a good thing. This is the sort of approach to the problem I'd expect from people who have no grasp of technology no sense of what is possible. Earlier approaches like Do Not Track[1] provided a far more concise & less disruptive general alternative . Or perhaps we could say cookies need markup as to their purpose, create some categories, & such that we can build browsers that can execute our preferences more elegantly. We could have created a new web api that sites serving EU citizens had to implement, to better enable the browser.

The crime of ePrivacy is that it specifies a solution which must be entirely in-band to the page. The media has to advertise it's privacy capabilities, a user has to go through custom, ah-hoc, non-standard dialogs proprietary to each site. Mandating any kind of out-of-band / machine-to-machine interface here would have done so much to prevent this obnoxious trashy low-quality muck we are now mired in. It's cheap & distracting & clicking through to secure your rights is a pointless ritual. This solution sucks. I agree it's a good that's enabled, but this is a trashy mandate, and it's significantly increased the trashfire feel of the web. It was imminently avoidable, better was so close at hand, but the lawmakers didnt seem to have any real grasp or vision of what they were up to or would create.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by lesuorac on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:59AM (#30907423)
> The crime of ePrivacy is that it specifies a solution which must be entirely in-band to the page.

You mind quoting where it requires an in-band solution?

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by petilon on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:33AM (#30907081)
> It's really a very reasonable rule.

Impact on users is annoying pop up every time you visit a new web site, which ask s for permission to store cookies. It doesn't seem like a reasonable rule. Storing cookies is reasonable. That's how the web works. Don't need special permission for it, and asking for permission every time serves no purpose other than irritating users.

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by pfortuny on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:43AM (#30907215)
Storing cookies is reasonable if I am using the remote computer to something more than just “go there to see a post or just navigate”. Otherwise, what would they care about the computer I am using?

Go to any newspaper and just browse? I do not want a cookie for that.

Go to youtube because I have seen a link which might be interesting? I do not want a cookie for that.

I would allow a cookie if I am going to fill a form. Otherwise, I do not deem it reasonable.

Accesible servers are there to serve. My computer is not.

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by thorin1 on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:44AM (#30907226)
You don't need a cookie banner for cookies that are necessary for your website functionality. For example auth cookie doesn't need a banner.

However, most of the websites are using cookies for advertising and sharing data with 3rd parties, that's why they have the banner.

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by lesuorac on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:08AM (#30907531)
> Impact on users is annoying pop up every time you visit a new web site, which ask s for permission to store cookies.

Go read the directive, it doesn't require a banner or an obtrusive banner.

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by petilon on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:18AM (#30907653)
> it doesn't require a banner or an obtrusive banner.

And yet, that's the impact on users.

Re:Can the horrendous cookie banner by the EU be rolled back? by eesmith on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:19AM (#30916189)
The best way to change a useful law is to convince people it's not useful.

The best way to distract people from unpopular activities is to point the finger at someone else.

(Rather like how in the UK "health and safety" is used as cover for unpopular decisions.)