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Re:Employees are returning to the office to sit on zoom calls by jiggawatts on Sunday April 03, 2022 @06:52AM (#30895959)
Wait till you see government organisations. There are meetings to decide who needs to turn up to a meeting. I thought that was a sick joke until I attended such a thing myself.

On one project we had dozens(!) of meetings involving 5-10 people to decide what to call an API endpoint that no human being will ever see again after the initial implementation. A nearly cried. I told them that they could literally mash the keyboard and use that, it's fine, just make a decision already. Nope. Got to run it past marketing. Branding (a separate team). Networks. BAU support. Domain hosting team. Architecture team. SecOps. Etc, etc...

The same org then had daily meetings involving 10+ people to decide how to purchase $500 worth of USB security fobs. At one point a project manager broke down in tears and pulled his credit card out out, and offered to just buy it himself if it would make the madness stop. There was a stunned silence, and then somebody raised the point that yes, fine, sure, but then how would warranty returns be handled if he becomes the "supplier"? With a straight face that same guy suggested another meeting to discuss the warranty return issue.

Re:Employees are returning to the office to sit on zoom calls by maxwelldone on Sunday April 03, 2022 @09:42AM (#30896853)
This reminds me of a great scene[1] from the British show "Yes, Minister". It's from an episode called The Compassionate Society where a minister for Department of Administrative Affairs learns about a newly built hospital which has some 500 employees but no doctors & patients. The scene I linked is a conversation between the minister & his private secretary where the latter explains why administrators are essential no matter what.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAk448volww

Full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLU-Evdlt-A

Re:Employees are returning to the office to sit on zoom calls by iamstupidsimple on Sunday April 03, 2022 @12:49PM (#30898344)
Wow, I was just thinking about this scene as well! It really is timeless. Especially the bit about measuring success by activity and not results.
Re:Employees are returning to the office to sit on zoom calls by jiggawatts on Monday April 04, 2022 @06:40AM (#30905058)
I used to think Yes Minister was the least humorous comedy on television, and I could not for the life of me understand why my father liked it so much.

He lived under communism, with its dozen+ levels of government bureaucracy, so you can imagine why he thought it was hilarious.

Once I had worked as a consultant for government departments, I suddenly "got" it, and now Yes Minister is one of my favourite TV shows of all time. The bit about hospitals is all too true.

For example, just recently, I had to fill out a stack of paperwork to provision a virtual server for hosting an archived, read-only web site for data that hasn't changed since 2017 and has three (3) users. Literally a stack. As in, a pile. About a hundred pages, or a short novel. That nobody will ever read, except if the time comes to blame me for a shortcoming that they themselves could not have avoided.

Re:Employees are returning to the office to sit on zoom calls by mofosyne on Sunday April 03, 2022 @09:58AM (#30896952)
Sounds almost like a sitcom...
Re:Employees are returning to the office to sit on zoom calls by jiggawatts on Monday April 04, 2022 @06:36AM (#30905037)
Yes, but it is reality for millions of public servants and hapless consultants like me.