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Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by ethbr0 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:55PM (#30880423)
Another comment has a citation for embarrassment over a previous regional dialect, but I'd also heard the "Not justices' place to question attorneys presenting their case" version.

Which has some merit. Show me someone who can listen as closely while they're also thinking of their next question, and I'll show you a liar.

Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by burkaman on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:29PM (#30880828)
The justices have already read a ton of briefs and deeply understand both sides of the case before oral arguments, it's not the first time they're hearing anything.
Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by saghm on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:13PM (#30880646)
Isn't that just how the Supreme Court works though (and I think appeals courts in general)? I thought it was literally just judges/justices questioning lawyers, not witnesses or the defendant on the stand or something.

Maybe I'm just inferring that from how I've seen appeals courts portrayed on TV shows though; I guess I haven't really ever actually been in person to any appeal.

Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by ethbr0 on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:33PM (#30880900)
As I've heard it, Thomas' position was that it was the attorneys' responsibility to make the best, most complete case they can. And then the justices' responsibility to debate that case against the law and render a verdict.

Or, in other words, if an attorney makes a bad argument, or leaves an argument unsaid, that's their problem. It shouldn't be the justices' task to score points with their colleagues by guiding attorneys to different lines of thought.

But, obviously other justices feel differently. Hence the diversity of behavior! Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by saghm on Saturday April 02, 2022 @12:36AM (#30885865)
Right, but my point was that a standard (i.e. non-appeal) usually has lawyers questioning witnesses (or the defendant themself); they're explicitly not allowed to just pontificate without asking a question outside of the opening and closing statements. My understanding of an appeals trial was that there was no witness testimony, just lawyers talking to judges and vice-versa. If my understanding is correct, that means that without judges asking questions, an appeal would just consist of each lawyer essentially making a speech and then sitting down without any ability for discussion. This strikes me as a bit odd, which is why I'm wondering if I'm missing something. If I'm not, I would think Thomas' position is extraordinarily unorthodox, to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if no other appeals judge in the country shared it. I'm not sure how easy it would be to check that, but at the very least, has any other Supreme Court justice in the history of the United States every held that view?
Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by lupire on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:10PM (#30881419)
If there is a risk of misunderstanding, it's good to confirm that the attorney is saying what the Justice thinks they are saying, before writing a scathing opinion excoriating the bad argument.
Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by ProjectArcturis on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:09PM (#30880595)
I strongly disagree. If you're a judge listening closely to a lawyer present their case, your head should be filling with questions for their arguments.
Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by s1artibartfast on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:28PM (#30880822)
The Lawyers don't really present their case in oral arguments. The whole process is 1 hour, and each party involved is given 2 minutes to summarize their position.
Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by dvt on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:21PM (#30881564)
This comment betrays that you don't really understand how the legal process works. There's often hundreds and hundreds of pages of briefs that go along with every case, and the oral argument is usually not even that relevant; it's mostly a formality in many cases. It's what gets the headlines, but the "meat" of the case is hardly the oral argument.
Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by kingcharles on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:47PM (#30881880)
Agreed. I would waive oral arguments at practically every opportunity, except that I feel like the judges usually ignore all the written motions and decide based on who is wearing the nicest bow tie during oral arguments.