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Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by ipaddr on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @05:30PM (#30861022)
This is the reason why the US system is better than Canada. In Canada you can't shop around and need referrals for specialists.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by paxys on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @05:42PM (#30861165)
You can find the best medical care in the world in the US if you have the means to pay for it. I don't think people will agree though that it is the indicator for the best healthcare system.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by ionicgiraffe on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @06:38PM (#30861701)
I would even say that any person of any country with enough financial resources could afford and get the best treatment in whatever country of the world would happen to be offered.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by ipaddr on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @07:18PM (#30862056)
That involves flying to the US in many cases
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by hedora on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @10:25PM (#30863214)
And flying out of the US in most cases.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by ionicgiraffe on Thursday March 31, 2022 @12:50AM (#30863917)
Indeed, I have just realized that the main problem of the US healthcare system is that their inhabitants cannot even imagine that anything better even exists.

Healthcare is much more than being operated or receiving some treatment for a rare condition, both things that are very much researched and done outside the US both privately and with public money. Healthcare is also about allowing people with health problems to live with dignity and allow then to function in society. To care for the weak and not only to restore productivity of a broken cog. Healthcare is about a strong first line of care that prevent conditions to get worse and irreparable. Many countries with a thousand or less of US's GDP can teach a lesson or two on that. In any case, most countries are slowly copying many aspects of US healthcare, I guess it must be indeed be better, or perhaps more profitable.

Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by fpgaminer on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @05:38PM (#30861114)
IIUC the vast majority of Americans don't have that privilege either and need referrals. You have to be on more expensive health plans to be able to pick your specialist. (That's been my past experience with HMOs). I finally got on a PPO recently and it was a bizarre but pleasant experience to just ... refer myself to a specialist :)
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by sonicggg on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @08:07PM (#30862347)
Canada is indeed very frustrating. It's great for simple things like a broken arm. But the reality is that it's years behind in treatment of complex illnesses. There are a lot of people in Canada that travel to US to see specialists, when they can afford.

US is also able to attract the best professionals, including MDs. Here in Canada we're left with the "leftovers". Those that did not make it big in life.

Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by sterlind on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @06:14PM (#30861481)
I think you can shop around in Canada, if you have private insurance. the universal healthcare system is just a baseline, to keep people from dying on the street after medical bankruptcy. many jobs offer supplementary health insurance as a benefit.

the US just uses ERs as an infinitely shittier but equally costly version.

Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by ipaddr on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @07:17PM (#30862051)
You can't book an appointment directly with a specialist.

You can't even shop around for a family doctor. You have to sell them accepting you as a patient. With that power inbalance you better follow what they suggest and avoid questioning too much or you won't have a doctor.

Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by hedora on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @10:27PM (#30863229)
I've had the same experience with non-HMO coverage in the US.

With HMO's, you're guaranteed someone will be assigned to you. With traditional insurance, there's a big labor shortage, and there are often <= 1 doctors accepting patients in some towns.

Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by nradov on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @10:16PM (#30863168)
Wealthy Canadians tend to just come to the US in order to skip the waiting lines.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by s0rce on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @06:32PM (#30861656)
Why can't you shop around? You aren't forced to go to a specific doctor. It certainly might be challenging but that's also the case in the USA.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by ipaddr on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @07:13PM (#30862023)
You have a family doctor who you are signed up with. You can't signup with another without losing your family doctor. You can't just go see any doctor. They have to decide to take you. Then if you are lucky you get a referral for a year later. You do have places you can walk in but there ability to refer is much lower.

In the USA you literally shop around. They advertise. You can literally look for the best surgeon and ask around.

Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by hedora on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @10:31PM (#30863244)
How do you find the "best" surgeon in the US? There is massive information asymmetry, and little repeat business, so it is a perfect market for lemons.
Re:The Uselessness of Phenylephrine by s0rce on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @09:16PM (#30862795)
I guess I don't see why your family doctor won't be open to referring you to another specialist. My experience was probably not normal in Canada since my parents are doctors.