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Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by bufferoverflow on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:29PM (#30857436)
The transition will not be slow. As soon as there's an addon to an existing truck or a taxi, they will be switched over very quickly. Businesses aren't stupid, they understand human drivers are expensive and get tired and cause accidents.

Millions of jobs will be lost within a few years.

And your comment didn't address of where these drivers will go in any way. "Adapt" is not an answer. Your average 46 year old truck driver will not be learning Javascript.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by supportlocal4h on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:41PM (#30857597)
How fast has warehouse automation occurred? What has happened to all the former warehouse workers? Fully autonomous warehouses has been a reasonable thing way before autonomous driving in the wild. It carries all the cost-saving and safety arguments. It might affect more people's jobs. What can we learn from that?
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by monocasa on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:52PM (#30858522)
> Fully autonomous warehouses has been a reasonable thing way before autonomous driving in the wild.

The issue in warehouses is that even before talking about control software behind automating, we simply don't have hardware for manipulators that are as versatile as human hands. That's why top of the line automated warehouses have sort of converged on automating everything except stations where humans can act like task reconfigurable pick and place machines. Better manipulators than biological hands is still an open research problem.

Automated cars don't have the hardware barrier, and as soon as the control software meets the required error rates, we should expect a rapid switchover to automated fleets.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by bufferoverflow on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:47PM (#30857686)
As far as I know, there aren't fully automated warehouses. Amazon ones are still employing a ridiculous number of human pickers, sorters, packers.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by dntrkv on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:37PM (#30858349)
And driverless cars will not be able to drive everywhere at once. Initially, it will be a few predefined routes and certain times. It will take much longer than 10 years to have a driverless car that can go anywhere, at anytime.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by lp0_on_fire on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @05:27PM (#30860993)
> How fast has warehouse automation occurred?

When people hear that term they think of the robots that amazon installed that move product around the building for you and massive conveyor systems like UPS has for sorting packages. While those kind of machines are getting better and are slowly making their way into "smaller" companies (i.e. not the size of amazon) the biggest changes are on the ERP and data management side, tbh.

Cheap/plentiful handheld devices and robust/cheap wifi tech has been a game changer for us compared to the physical processes of using paper to direct staff on the floor. The processes we used 10-15 years ago are night and day to what we use in 2022, at least in my mid-sized fulfillment company.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by worldsayshi on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:09PM (#30857975)
It seems to me that automating a warehouse would be a much larger relative investment than installing conversion kits into taxis.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by airstrike on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:48PM (#30858474)
We are easily 20+ years away from simply adding a conversion kit into a taxi to make it driverless.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by worldsayshi on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @06:40PM (#30861720)
You're probably right but I feel that the incentives to create such kits would be quite big once true autonomous driving has shown to work on large scale.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by breadzeppelin__ on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:37PM (#30857545)
they definitely already have this for tractors / farming https://www.agleader.com/blog/ag-leader-unveils-new-geosteer...
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by logifail on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:58PM (#30858590)
> they definitely already have this for tractors / farming

As in, a significant % of tractors are without human drivers, or as in, a significant % of tractors with human drivers have GPS-based assistance?

I live in a rural area and see several dozens of tractors every day, and FWIW, I've never seen a tractor without a human driver. Yet.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by breadzeppelin__ on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:57PM (#31006889)
As in the technology is available to make many 'off the shelf' tractors self-driving. I have no info on actual uptake just that there are components available to make 'normal' driving in to self-driving using third party modules