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Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by byrneseyeview on Thursday September 18, 2008 @04:18PM (#308539)
In the short run, these markets selected for people who didn't properly analyze the risk. If the average CDO makes you 7% a year until one day it loses 20%, it's not a prudent investment -- but if you somehow estimate that the maximum loss is 2% instead, you will be willing to buy many more of them, and your return on capital will look a whole lot better. If you're not the only one doing this, the flow of all that money into risky products will give you returns even higher than you expected -- and if you're like the average investor, you will adjust your reasoning in retrospect to make yourself as brilliant as possible.

So it's actually unsurprising that people outside of the finance business were disproportionately aware that the whole real estate bubble was crazy. Someone with your views working for a big bank would be the equivalent of a peacock who realizes who impractical those feathers are.

Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by ReverendBayes on Thursday September 18, 2008 @07:49PM (#308739)
Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by nostrademons on Thursday September 18, 2008 @10:59PM (#308862)
It's pretty easy to ignore what you read on the web when it doesn't fit your preconceptions.
Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by eru on Friday September 19, 2008 @07:58AM (#309157)
Yes, and to everyone who now claims he was really sure of the bubble back then: why didn't you make a fortune in short selling?
Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by nostrademons on Friday September 19, 2008 @12:13PM (#309344)
Shorting is generally a bad idea because even if you're right, if your timing is wrong, you can still lose everything. Say that you call "overvalued" and short the market. You're right, but the market gets more overvalued before it corrects. You can get short-squeezed out of your positions because with the new, bubble-inflated prices, you don't meet margin requirements. Then the market corrects, you're vindicated, but you've lost everything already.

Same goes for buying on margin when the market undershoots. You can be right, but if the price continues to drop past rationality (as it often does), you can lose everything.

And I did make a pretty good return, both in 2001 and 2007, simply by holding money in cash when people were greedy and investing when they were fearful. Not a fortune (I was a poor college student in 01/02, and only had 2 years of accumulated work savings in 07), but enough to fund my year-long startup adventure, and to fund a few more years of it if I had a decent idea.

Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by eru on Friday September 19, 2008 @12:33PM (#309358)
Yes, timing is a problem. The market can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent.

Good luck with your ventures!

Re:How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers by tortilla on Friday September 19, 2008 @10:16AM (#309263)
Because even if you know (in general) what is going to happen, it is quite hard to time it. Plus I think you need balls of steel in certain situations (everyone telling you are wrong).