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Re:$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network by MereInterest on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @01:49PM (#30846019)
They voluntarily accepted a contract wherein they would transfer money in exchange for receiving a bicycle. No bicycle was received, so this voluntary decision does not mean that the money transfer was voluntary. They did not accept a contract wherein they would transfer money in exchange for nothing. Since they did not accept this contract, this does not make the money transfer be voluntary.

Being a victim of fraud is not "voluntary" in any meaningful way.

Re:$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @02:17PM (#30846388)
> this voluntary decision does not mean that the money transfer was voluntary

Voluntary or not is a red herring. The word this discussion is looking for is authorized.

The transfer was authorized by the account holder. They were defrauded. But when they made the transfer, then intended to do so. (The situation is murkier with credit card transactions, at least in America, because they chose to accept a role in dispute resolution.)

The $625mm drained out of Axie's account wasn't authorized by Sky Mavis. That's a different type of fraud than being ripped off.

Re:$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network by femto113 on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @08:08PM (#30849989)
In the old American paper check system there was an important but subtle distinction between "fraud in the making" and "fraud in the inducement". If a criminal stole your checkbook and forged a check then an intermediary (like a bank or a grocery store) which cashed a stolen check could be on the hook for the money--if you protested to your bank the transaction could be reversed. However if the criminal simply induced you to write them a valid check (e.g. as payment for a non-existent bicycle) then any intermediary that cashed the check is not on the hook, and the only recourse is to get the money back from the criminal.
Re:$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network by basisword on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @02:12PM (#30846328)
That's got absolutely nothing to do with the bank. It's between you and the 'merchant'.