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Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by Pet_Ant on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @01:20PM (#30845582)
> My claim is that even areas away from dense urban environments seem to be getting more crowded. It seems like every place is.

Look at this picture:

http://www.dannyquah.com/writings/en/files/2015/09/2015.09.2...

Notice how even in that circle most of that is water. People are moving out of that area for a variety of reasons, some density, some environmental (both natural and pollution), and some economic.

The current low-density north american way of living is a historical anomaly outside of agrarian lifestyles (farms are just open air biological farms). Expecting post-war living to continue is like expecting the post-war economy to continue.

Personally, I bought a 100 acres that are remote and off-road to build my own place off-grid. This is put-up-or-shut-up. You cannot expect to find less dense living without purposefully securing it.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by xyzzyz on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @06:08PM (#30849005)
> The current low-density north american way of living is a historical anomaly outside of agrarian lifestyles (farms are just open air biological farms).

Most of what we do today is a historical anomaly, because our times are very unique. However, it is the dense city living that's historical anomaly. As recently as 100 years ago, majority of Americans lived in rural places. Before 1900, only a small minority of people globally lived in urban environments, and before 1700, it was a very minuscule minority indeed.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by Pet_Ant on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @11:18PM (#30851196)
When people lived less densely it was because the land was actively being used for production. So the land use was still dense, just not with people. The suburbs and small towns have lots of land with no use at all just yards. That is an inefficiency the market will resolve.