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Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by Aachen on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:16PM (#30837580)
Didn't know this was a thing or why it's bad. The article does a pretty shoddy job at giving that information but one can puzzle it together:

It seems to be specifically about emissions in low Earth orbit from maneuvering thrusters, such as in satellite constellations, because that will fall back into the upper atmosphere. Is there a climate change issue then, ozone layer, anything? No it just seems to be falling down that's the issue, this is mentioned further down:

> The environmental and human health implications of such releases have not been evaluated. Using an atmospheric chemical transport model, we simulate global deposition of mercury released from satellite propulsion systems. We estimate that 75% of the mercury falling back to Earth will be deposited in the world’s oceans, with potentially negative implications for commercial fish and other marine life.

So have or haven't environmental implications been evaluated? It seems to me this very paragraph does just that. And wasn't it not about propulsion in general but about OMS instead? Well, anyway, that's what mercury emissions are about.

Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by nabla9 on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @04:18AM (#30840093)
It's called "Minamata Treaty" after Minamata disease (a neurological disease caused by severe mercury poisoning) was first discovered in the city of Minamata, Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan, in 1956.

Mercury and most of its compounds are extremely toxic (Hg is toxic in metal, vapor, salt, and organic compounds). Mercury is bioaccumulating heavy metal very harmful for people. Athmospheric mercury may be inhaled, but even if it falls into oceans and farmland it bioaccumulates and moves up in the food chain. Eventually into fish and people.

Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by KarlKemp on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @02:03AM (#30839323)
Mercury is just straight up nasty stuff. It causes cancer. It makes you stupid. It is one leading hypothesis as the reason violent crime happened at 2x or 3x the rate just 50 years ago.

The collapse of the Roman Empire probably wasn’t caused by Mercury poisoning. But just being considered a legitimate contender for that role is impressively scary.

Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by rsynnott on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @08:54AM (#30841873)
The main concern for Romans was lead, not mercury. Not due to pipes, as commonly believed, so much as due to the fact that they _used lead salts to flavor food_.

This also, of course, didn't cause the fall of the empire.

Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @09:20AM (#30842183)
> so much as due to the fact that they _used lead salts to flavor food_

I believe it was also common to sweeten wine by leaving it in lead carafes.

Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by chipsa on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @10:23AM (#30842917)
It's the "Lead-crime" hypothesis, not "mercury-crime" hypothesis, largely driven by the phase out of leaded gasoline and lead paint, and correlated drops in crime after that.
Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by KarlKemp on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @12:30PM (#30844741)
Yea, of course! Thanks for noticing! I believe the two do have similar risk profiles. Lead has always been more abundant and used, however.
Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by jamal-kumar on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:12PM (#30838314)
Haha yeah while we're at it let's ban all the lead solder in the satellites too! RoHS in SPACE! TIN WHISKERS ARE FAKE

It would be interesting if there was that kind of research but I think honestly with a noted rise in atmospheric mercury concentrations [1] we might err on the side of caution.

I'm half convinced we are going to mess space up in worse ways than mercury fuel but hey who listens to reason in these regards, they're blowing these things up just as a huge military dick swinging contest up there.

[1] https://www.dovepress.com/in-depth-review-of-atmospheric-mer...

Re:UN Bans Mercury Satellite Propellants Under New Minamata ... by nine_k on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @12:15AM (#30838700)
Unlike, say, dimethylhydrazine (brr, nasty stuff) mercury does not burn or decompose into harmless substances. It gets highly concentrated in marine life, because trophic chains go in one direction, and one predator eats large amounts of prey.

The fish humans eat are often many levels of predation up the chain, so concentration of mercury in, say, tuna can be troubling. Even if you inject relatively small amounts of mercury in the ocean, much of this amount is not dispersed but returned in seafood.

The amount of mercury used by spacecraft engines is likely (not necessarily) too small to matter right now. With cheap reusable boosters to orbit, it may grow quite a bit soon enough to matter.