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Re:Evaluation of science advice during the Covid-19 pandemic... by saiya-jin on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:36AM (#30811323)
While your personal experience is heartwarming, others here point to what I would describe state-approved cruelty of effectively euthanizing elderly who got seriously sick with covid earlier. That's not cool at all and even if now things are different its a right thing to point to these widespread failures that caused a lot of unnecessary death.
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Re:Evaluation of science advice during the Covid-19 pandemic... by thematrixturtle on Saturday March 26, 2022 @09:14AM (#30811535)
Few elderly patients who end up on ventilators for COVID survive, plus the process is very painful and causes permanent damage if you survive. So morphine actually sounds like a pretty good way to go, assuming there's some form of informed consent.
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Re:Evaluation of science advice during the Covid-19 pandemic... by emj on Saturday March 26, 2022 @10:17AM (#30811992)
The problem was that there were cases were consent was not given and of healthy 70 year olds having to fight for ventilators at least in the beginning. From what I understood a lot changed when people realized what was happening in June 2020, the paper is pretty vague about this it talks mainly about the first half of 2020.
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Re:Evaluation of science advice during the Covid-19 pandemic... by xorcist on Saturday March 26, 2022 @10:46AM (#30812280)
> state-approved cruelty of effectively euthanizing elderly

Unless I got the discussion completely backwards, the point here was that these homes are not run by the state. They are either private or by small municipalities, and are not really intended to provide medical care in the same way as hospitals do.

There are probably a lot of details here that's not at all obvious to an outsider of the system, exactly how the care is organized, paid for, and what medical facilities they can access, but I hope that they can learn and improve from this so the next pandemic do not hit the elderly quite this bad.

That some other countries may or may not have been hit worse does not make it any better. This is not a competition.

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Re:Evaluation of science advice during the Covid-19 pandemic... by emj on Saturday March 26, 2022 @10:26AM (#30812070)
That is a pretty extreme interpretation of the paper. That view is also not helpfull if you want to talk about the regional problems around Sweden, it has been mentioned in other comments here. The paper is just bringing up a discussion we have had since june 2020 in Sweden, I sure do not think we will not stop discussing it.
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