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Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by 29athrowaway on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:05AM (#30809641)
Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization.

Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds.

Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C.

Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by smilespray on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:09AM (#30809657)
They were using heat to neutralize germs. No need to be pedantic.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by 29athrowaway on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:20AM (#30809714)
Per cup (whole/pasteurized -> whole/boiled)

- Calories: 152 -> 146

- Protein: 8.14 g -> 8 g

- Carbs: 12 g -> 11.4 g

- Calcium: 28% DV -> 23% DV

- Vitamin D: 24% DV -> 13% DV

- Vitamin B12: 18% DV -> 13% DV

- Phosphorus: 22% DV -> 20% DV

Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by gus_massa on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:29AM (#30811290)
Do you have a source for this? Is this after deskimming the milk? Natural milk has about 3.3% of fat, but commercial milk usually has 3% or less (here you can buy 3%, 2%, 1.5%, 1% and 0% milk, and perhaps other values).

Unless you remove the skim, it's difficult to imagine that some parts just disappear.

> - Calories: 152 -> 146

Dubious: But it's easier to discuss proteins and carbs separately.

> - Protein: 8.14 g -> 8 g

Possible?: Some proteins may denaturalize (like the white of the egg), but they are sill there. Proteins are weird, so I can't say it's impossible.

> - Carbs: 12 g -> 11.4 g

Dubious: Unless you are overheating the milk to make caramel, this is very strange, almost impossible. Carbs are composed of smaller sugar units and with heat they may split or for new bound, but they don't disappear unless it's very hot.

> - Calcium: 28% DV -> 23% DV

Impossible: I don't expect calcium to react with the container or to evaporate, so it's impossible that it goes away. The biological availability may change, but it's difficult to measure.

> - Vitamin D: 24% DV -> 13% DV

Possible: Some vitamins are sensible to heating, and heating them changes the molecular structure to make then unusable, so this is totally possible. I don't remember about vitamin D in particular. Anyway, many commercial milk has additional vitamin A and D.

> - Vitamin B12: 18% DV -> 13% DV

Possible: Idem. Anyway, I but I never heard of milk with additional B12, and other foods are better sources of B12.

- Phosphorus: 22% DV -> 20% DV

Dubious: I don't expect potassium to evaporate. It may react with the container, but I doubt it. The biological availability may change a lot, because phosphorus is used to bind some molecules and they may split and the isolated phosphate may not be as useful.

Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by credit_guy on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:47AM (#30809819)
So boiling reduces the amount of calories? And carbs, and proteins? How can that be?

In principle boiling could induce a lot of evaporation, so the milk would be more concentrated, and so it would have more calories per cup. But people don’t boil the milk so much as to materially reduce the amount of water in it.

Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by monitron on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:02AM (#30809876)
I would guess that the heat chemically alters or breaks down (denatures might be the right term?) some of those macronutrients into molecules that can no longer provide caloric energy.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by alasdair_ on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:33AM (#30810010)
“Calories” measures the amount of energy a human can extract from the food. Interestingly, if you cook.a steak (for examples le) it can gain calories, not lose them.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by VBprogrammer on Saturday March 26, 2022 @04:13AM (#30810159)
Does it really? I thought it was a simple chemical test where you burn a set amount of it and check how much it heats a given amount of water.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by tsimionescu on Saturday March 26, 2022 @04:30AM (#30810223)
That's the old, less accurate way. By that measure, fiber tends to have quite a lot of calories, as it's a carbohydrate, but that is now known to be wrong - fiber passes through our digestive systems almost completely undigested, and yields almost 0 calories.

Today, calorie counts are usually obtained by checking the protein, fat, sugar and fiber contents, and using known values for calorie/g of each. Those well-known values are ideally obtained either through human calorimetric studies, or through burning protein, fat, sugar directly.

Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by netizen-936824 on Saturday March 26, 2022 @06:42AM (#30810717)
Citation for the stake numbers? I can see it being possible, if cooking increases bioavailability
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by alasdair_ on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:26PM (#30814083)
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by manquer on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:19AM (#30809954)
The chemical breakdown of bonds also generates thermal energy, so the milk emits black-body radiation slightly more than input heat alone accounts for.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by Scaevolus on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:30AM (#30810000)
There's also low temperature pasteurization at 145F/62C for 30 minutes, which conveniently denatures lipase in breastmilk too.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by noobermin on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:10AM (#30809664)
It isn't, but it's better than drinking milk raw.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by credit_guy on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:35AM (#30809770)
> Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

What does that mean?

Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by vl on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:39AM (#30809784)
Some proteins break down and loose nutritional value.
Re:Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Im... by andi999 on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:02AM (#30809877)
Can you be more specific? Doesnt the body need to break down the proteins anyway to use the aminiacids? Which protein exactly looses nutritional value?