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Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by CJefferson on Friday March 25, 2022 @11:43AM (#30803513)
Looking just at SATs, it is very common for people to take a practice test early on, then do lots of work/ revision, then eventually recieve a much higher score.

If SAT score were measuring some immutable value, then it wouldn't be so easy to improve one's score with revision, and tutors.

Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by Tenoke on Friday March 25, 2022 @12:00PM (#30803763)
That's part of why the r for SAT-IQ is somewhere between 0.5-0.8[0] rather than higher. Also the average SAT score increase by retaking seems to be 40[1] points which doesn't skew things that much.

0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

1. https://www.manhattanreview.com/sat-retaking/#:~:text=The%20....

Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by usgroup on Friday March 25, 2022 @12:36PM (#30804230)
Well I think there is a separate question of "does this work on a population level" versus "does this work for any given individual". I think we are used to "vaccine mostly works for everyone" type thinking. However, I think that there are many things that will work for individuals but not for general populations.

So SATs are not generally trainable by a universal approach -- including personal tuition. I think that is believable. However, that for any given individual there is no intervention which will substantially improve their SAT results is a much stronger statement which I find less believable.

Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by mercutio2 on Friday March 25, 2022 @11:56AM (#30803707)
It is not very common to increase your score on the SATs by a significant amount. The actual gains are very marginal, in the aggregate.

Most money spent on test prep is just wasted.

Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by horsawlarway on Friday March 25, 2022 @11:55AM (#30803684)
I'm not really sure anyone above has implied that intelligence is immutable - just that you can describe it generally.

Consider the physical fitness correlations in the article - I don't think anyone would argue that your level of physical fitness is immutable. But just because the value is mutable is no reason to disregard the current value - it can still be a meaningful and useful indicator.

Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by maldusiecle on Friday March 25, 2022 @11:55AM (#30803681)
The degree to which the SAT is coachable is a subject of debate. The biggest studies have suggested that even private tutoring has an effect of less than 40 points.
Re:Is there a general factor of intelligence? by usgroup on Friday March 25, 2022 @12:08PM (#30803881)
Kasparov had a nice line about this in "How life imitates chess". I'm paraphrasing but it was something along the lines of "there are lots of things that cannot be tought to you which you can nontheless teach yourself".

I think that thinking processes is very much in that category, and I think that the investment in time is considerable. I think its typical to expect gradual improvement -- a constant response to training. Anecdotally, it doesn't work like that.