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Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by samatman on Thursday March 24, 2022 @06:41AM (#30788120)
Can't think if any good reason we should.

Actual deaths from solar power are higher than actual deaths from nuclear energy, per GW delivered. Solar death is mostly from falling from high places, but so what? Death is death.

There's a conversation to have about the long tail but I'll probably start calling people cowards at some point so lets not.

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by adamsmith143 on Thursday March 24, 2022 @10:39AM (#30790479)
>Actual deaths from solar power are higher than actual deaths from nuclear energy, per GW delivered. Solar death is mostly from falling from high places, but so what? Death is death.

This is not a serious argument. Large scale solar farms are hardly more than 6 feet off the ground and would essentially eliminate this risk. I expect the number of deaths and decrease in quality of life attributable to fossil fuels is far far higher to speak nothing of Climate risks in general.

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by plaguepilled on Thursday March 24, 2022 @08:14AM (#30788757)
Can you cite sources for your claims?

I am personally doubtful of your comments around deaths being more frequent. Statistics around the specific cause of death would also be appreciated.

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by pydry on Thursday March 24, 2022 @06:52AM (#30788183)
It's easy to count somebody who fell off a roof. Statistical deaths from cancers are much easier to sweep under the carpet and most pro nuclear propaganda death counts I've seen do precisely that.
Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by samatman on Thursday March 24, 2022 @07:15AM (#30788339)
Are you alleging a conspiracy? Show me your numbers if you want me to take you seriously.
Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday March 24, 2022 @09:36AM (#30789540)
I've not seen any numbers produced in the last decade that agree with your claim, so maybe you should provide your numbers.

https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by pydry on Thursday March 24, 2022 @07:19AM (#30788371)
https://www.i-sis.org.uk/Chernobyl_Deaths_Top_a_Million.php

Im not sure if conspiracy is the right word. The special interest groups bullshitting everyone are not necessarily coordinating. Is religion also a conspiracy?

Never mind.

I believe that I'd feel safer with nuclear if they paid for their own damn insurance and raised the liability cap to "unlimited" but apparently they dont feel its safe enough just yet to raise their financial exposure. What if fukushima happened again? Dealing with that was expensive!

Perhaps you could explain why they cant volunteer to shoulder their own risks if theyre so safe?

In SPITE of free insurance they still need lavish taxpayer subsidies to be financially viable while wind and solar dont.

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by denton-scratch on Thursday March 24, 2022 @09:22AM (#30789373)
> if they paid for their own damn insurance

...including a policy to pay the cost of decommissioning.

There isn't a production nuclear power plant in the world that has ever been fully decommissioned. The earliest production plants in the UK have been taken out of service, but decommissioning (so the land they were built on can be re-used) is expected to take the rest of this century.

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by amluto on Thursday March 24, 2022 @10:41AM (#30790519)
Then everything else would need a similar policy for fairness. Coal plants and their ash ponds are notorious.
Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by denton-scratch on Thursday March 24, 2022 @11:44AM (#30791489)
I don't disagree. Corporations leaving environmental cleanup as a problem for government (i.e. taxpayers) and future generations is a severe form of externalising costs, which I think amounts to theft.
Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by jcbrand on Thursday March 24, 2022 @07:01AM (#30788245)
Are you saying more people have died from falling while installing/servicing solar than have died due to Chernobyl and Fukushima?
Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by Thlom on Thursday March 24, 2022 @07:54AM (#30788622)
There were 1 person that died in Fukushima. Some more, mostly elderly people, died during evacuation/displacement.

In Chernobyl around 50 people died as direct consequence of the disaster. As far as I know there's no studies showing increased risk of cancer in the population that lived in and around Chernobyl at the time. If Chernobyl showed us one thing it is that radiation is not as dangerous as we believed.

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by vidarh on Thursday March 24, 2022 @08:39AM (#30788940)
There were sharp increases in some cancers, however from very small bases and of cancers with very low mortality, as far as I recall.

I think it's worth assuming some reduction in life expectancy for some people, but notably the estimates of lost years of life have dropped year by year, and will likely end up being negligible.

I've said it before: we could have a Chernobyl every year, and it'd still be worth it (reducing deaths) if it got us off coal sooner...

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by thow-58d4e8b on Thursday March 24, 2022 @08:41AM (#30788955)
As far as I recall, there were some measurable increases in cancer incidence among children in Belarus, mostly due to milk intake

However, all that was completely drowned by a collapse of life expectancy resulting from the chaos of the 90s. We're horrified at a few tens of extra cancers, but 100M men losing 10-15 years of their life due to socio-economic circumstances doesn't raise anyone's eyebrow

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by db65edfc7996 on Thursday March 24, 2022 @11:35AM (#30791346)
Long term Chernobyl numbers[0] are highly contested.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_di...

Re:Developers of small modular reactors hope their time has ... by samatman on Thursday March 24, 2022 @07:11AM (#30788313)
Per GW of delivered power. Yes, that's correct.