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Re:Madeleine Albright has died by unethical_ban on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @04:56PM (#30783245)
It is interesting that people are so angry with secretaries of state, rather than presidents. Or is it both? I rarely hear Bill Clinton's name spoken with such bitterness as Albright's as it relates to Kosovo, for example.

Honestly I am too young to have remembered the oil for food program and just read some about it. I didn't know we were sanctioning Iraq like that through the 90s.

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by denormalized on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @05:08PM (#30783401)
Former presidents have entire organizations dedicated to rehabilitating and amplifying their legacies. Former presidents also make high-profile appearances at sporting and other events which serve to make them more relatable to the populace. In other words, much better marketing.
Re:Madeleine Albright has died by ajsnigrutin on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @06:19PM (#30784267)
People in the balkans were actually rooting for Trump both times, because they (we) were afraid that another clinton in the white house will cause another war in the balkans.

Now you guys have biden, but luckily (for us), the war is in ukraine and not here again.

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by unethical_ban on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:29PM (#30784881)
Now [all but several countries in the world] have [leaders who oppose unprovoked wars in Europe] - Fixed it for you.

Are there credible sites, books or videos that try to say there wasn't a genocide and brutal war being perpetrated primarily by the Serbs against muslims?

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by ajsnigrutin on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:44PM (#30784996)
Genocide? nah... if there was a genocide, there'd be no albanians left in kosovo. The situation was more like the situation in ukraine, where some separatist movements wanted a separate country, and the serbia wouldn't let them. The KLA would attack the serbs, and they'd attack the KLA. Then USA decided to attack serbia, like putin is attacking ukraine now, but that was considered good, because when america bombs someone, it's "bombing for peace".
Re:Madeleine Albright has died by unethical_ban on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @09:32PM (#30785575)
There are Jews still in Israel. Continued existence of an ethnicity is not proof there was never ethnic cleansing.

Anyway, thanks for the extensive sourcing, but I'll go read some books on Kosovo myself.

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by olau on Thursday March 24, 2022 @06:02AM (#30787881)
I'm in no position to judge the actions of the US back then, but you're wrong about the genocide:

> Although Serb forces had long been blamed for the massacre, it was not until June 2004—following the Srebrenica commission's preliminary report—that Serb officials acknowledged that their security forces planned and carried out the mass killing. A Serb commission's final report on the 1995 Srebrenica massacre acknowledged that the mass murder of the men and boys was planned. The commission found that more than 7,800 were killed after it compiled thirty-four[citation needed] lists of victims.

> A concerted effort was made to capture all Bosniak men of military age.[114] In fact, those captured included many boys well below that age and elderly men several years above that age who remained in the enclave following the take-over of Srebrenica. These men and boys were targeted regardless of whether they chose to flee to Potočari or to join the Bosnian Muslim column. The operation to capture and detain the Bosnian Muslim men was well organised and comprehensive. The buses which transported the women and children were systematically searched for men.[114]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by twelve40 on Thursday March 24, 2022 @02:39PM (#30793774)
the OP started this conversation about Kosovo, which was a separate conflict and a separate bombing campaign against Serbia.
Re:Madeleine Albright has died by twelve40 on Thursday March 24, 2022 @02:36PM (#30793735)
> Are there credible sites

Sure, we can start with, oh, the Wikipedia maybe?

"there had been no evidence of genocide or ethnic cleansing"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

and continue on to the UN as reported by BBC:

A United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by AutumnCurtain on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @05:16PM (#30783500)
Personally, I might be biased by my personal friendship with Kosovar Muslims, but I view the NATO interventions in Kosovo as a pretty unambiguously good thing. No idea whether this sentiment will be popular here. They ended a genocide and acted within clear guidelines with international unity.
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Re:Madeleine Albright has died by denormalized on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @06:00PM (#30784045)
Are you saying that the many critical commenters with multiple years of HN activity and karma are Russian bots?
Re:Madeleine Albright has died by ardit33 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @06:16PM (#30784220)
Yes. Long term bots, or people with malicious intent. This is not why were are at HN. People like them are completely ruining this site.

Spreading hate and missinfo. She wasn't in power both when 91 and 2003 invasions (it was republican presidents for both parts).

Also they are leaving the part:

Sadam invaded Iran

Sadam gased/chemical attacked Iran

Sadam invaded Kuwait

Sadam Chemically attacked/killed almost 100k of Kurds in Northern Iraq

Sadam was cruel to his own people and killed and repressed many

There you. They wont tell you that the sanctions of the 90s, were directly correlated with his brutal repression (up to using gas attacks) to the Kurdish people in the north.

So, whoever ommits these things is completely using dissinfo for hateful purposes.

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by trasz on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @08:51PM (#30785339)
Except her actions resulted in many more deaths, mr long term US bot.
Re:Madeleine Albright has died by t0bia_s on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @06:45PM (#30784547)
It is easy to say that narrative that won't fit my knowledge is Russian bot or propaganda.

Just take it as different opinion and get over it.

Re:Madeleine Albright has died by unethical_ban on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:27PM (#30784859)
I will say this, I personally know several Serbians who dislike her. You should go to Belgrade and ask around how they like the Clintons.

I agree that there is a lot of bot/shill activity in places like Twitter/reddit, but please reconsider thinking everyone who thinks different is doing so in bad faith.