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Re:The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads by pmoriarty on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:20PM (#30772891)
"5-meo-dmt is extremely powerful stuff and unlike DMT it can cause you to end up in the hospital or dead"

I've yet to see any definitive evidence showing that 5-MeO alone caused anyone to die.

The handful of deaths I'm aware of have been from 5-MeO mixed with other substances like alcohol, and due to asphyxiation on vomit -- which can happen from alcohol alone.

If you drink too much alcohol you could choke on your own vomit and die. Yet people aren't generally freaked out when people drink alcohol. They should in fact be more concerned about alcohol, as it kills thousands of people every year, and is well documented to be involved in many deaths both alone and when mixed with other substances.

The lesson from this all this is don't mix 5-MeO with other substances. Also stay far away from practitioners who pour water down your throat while you're pretty much helpless and out of your body. That's incredibly dangerous -- but not because of the 5-MeO alone, but because some demented person is trying to drown you.

Also, there hasn't been enough human use of 5-MeO to know its long-term health effects, so that is an additional risk, as are its potential negative effects on mental health.

Everyone considering it should thoroughly educate themselves -- both on its risks and benefits, so they can make an informed decision.

Re:The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads by jamal-kumar on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @09:06PM (#30773664)
Yeah that's my point though, I never said how it could kill you so you're right to bring this up - To clarify I think you should probably avoid compulsive use of drugs that are so highly interactive with anything else that may be going through your system at any given time that you may die in combo. A lot of people are combining MAOIs for example with DMT and that's fine until they end up with some plant or extract with enough of the 5-MeO that they end up in the hospital with an extremely traumatizing (if you live) hypertensive crisis, for example. Hmm yeah probably not a great idea to give that out to just anyone like these absolute payasos.

I'm pretty convinced that it's got tremendous therapeutic potential like many other strong things around these lines. But group dosing like ~100 people in the way these people are doing it is just wrong on so many levels. The only way I see them going if they continue without being apprehended first is if they turn it into something like a cult, which would obviously be even worse.

Re:The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads by taneq on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @09:18PM (#30773738)
> Yet people aren't generally freaked out when people drink alcohol.

I think you might be discarding your priors here. Alcohol use is extremely common, so even relatively uncommon negative effects will happen a lot. The important number to compare is how many people would see equivalently bad effects if the same number of people used <other substance X> as drank alcohol.

Re:The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads by cwkoss on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:56PM (#30773167)
Have you seen someone use 5-meo before? The hamilton morris' pharmacopeia episode about 5-meo-dmt usage showed someone using it - and the state they were in made it seem extremely plausible someone could vomit and asphyxiate from that drug alone, especially if someone is using it without a trip sitter.

Great episode, but that scene is pretty disturbing.

Re:The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads by sandwall on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:11PM (#30773277)
Concur, 5meo typtamines are extremely potent and quite dangerous. Witnessed overdoses and while they weren't lethal, they certainly had the risk. Just because the compound doesn't kill, doesn't mean you can't die from a secondary or tertiary effect.
Re:The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads by pmoriarty on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:19PM (#30773324)
To maximize safety:

1 - don't eat or drink for at least 4 or 5 hours beforehand, so there's nothing in your stomach to vomit

2 - lie in the recovery position ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position ) with one's mouth facing downwards to minimize the chance of aspirating any liquid

3 - don't move around

4 - be with a trained, trusted, and experienced practitioner, who you've vetted thoroughly and who you are sure can keep you safe

5 - again, don't mix substances!