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Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by Asooka on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:05PM (#30772746)
Ugh, disgusting. Guess I'm never giving money to Brompton.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by jacquesm on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:11PM (#30772798)
I did and I didn't regret it for a second, it sees tons of use and is pretty much indestructible. The design is timeless and the second hand market for Bromptons is pretty good, they hold their value better than any car I've ever owned. The first five minutes require some care but after that it's super stable and very low on maintenance given the complexity of the folding. It's small enough that it fits the cargo space in my car where it normally lives so that I always have a bike with me wherever I go.

If there is a downside that would be that even though the wheels are quite a bit bigger than the ones of the bike showcased here that the tires are very high pressure and need frequent topping up.

Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by mattl on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:38PM (#30773047)
You find them copyrighting their work disgusting?

Do you use CC0 for all your own work?

Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by serf on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:46PM (#30773101)
I'm not parent but since this is framed as if it's a 'gotcha' question ..

a) yes, when it's used anti-competitively; which it almost exclusively is. I haven't been sold on the idea that idea exclusivity funds creative and public works and value-stores. I tend to believe that capitol does that -- and I think capitol can be generated regardless of copyright state.

b) Yes, I have a cc0 1.0 license on anything I release outside of the contracts i'm beholden to from other entities. My thingiverse profile, for one, is filled with general purpose models and assets that are all licensed cc0 1.0 -- these took real person-hours to produce and have actual value for some folks.

other than the occassional irritation with persnickety users here and there I enjoy the work and view it as a social good -- I hope others find the work valuable and use it themselves; surely others exist with the same motivations.

Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by mattl on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:36PM (#30773436)
Yeah this is all reasonable. Parent felt a bit reactionary
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by gilrain on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @08:54AM (#30777938)
Going off on someone because they “feel a bit reactionary” is very reactionary, you realize.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by mattl on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @10:22AM (#30778737)
My tone wasn’t the best for sure but I was more curious if that was their issue.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by caslon on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:51PM (#30773127)
The concern is obviously not that copyright is inherently immoral, or whatever you're insinuating, even though there are valid objections against the current status quo of multi-century copyrights.

The concern is that they're double-dipping. They had a patent. Patents expire after 20 years, but give you exclusive right to use an invention in the meantime. After a patent expires, what's supposed to happen is that anyone can make use of it.

After the patent expired, they started abusing copyright to kill competition.

It's incredibly unethical to try and have it both ways. They had their patent. Their patents is gone. Competitors should be allowed to use the technology in that patent, without worrying about a random court for some forsaken reason allowing them to abuse copyright to stop competitors from being able to compete.

Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by mattl on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:02PM (#30773219)
UK has design copyrights to basically permit the double dipping.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by unfocussed_mike on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @04:31AM (#30776292)
Design protection (design patents etc.) is not a UK invention, is it? It's a well-recognised WIPO tool at this point anyway.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by markdown on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:23PM (#30773356)
Must be why there's so little innovation going on there.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by unfocussed_mike on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @04:30AM (#30776285)
For a small island with a very British habit of regular, unnecessary self-crippling, there's quite a lot of innovation going on here. Just not a lot of self-congratulatory "disruptive" internet BS innovation.

e.g. ARM, Dyson, the RepRap project, the Raspberry Pi, the Oxford/AZ vaccine, Rolls-Royce jet engines. Graphene. The micro-satellite. Vantablack. The genuinely trailblazing .gov.uk project. Quorn. Cloning!

And most importantly, the tikka massala, the balti, and the Henry vaccum cleaner.

(And, someone told me the other day, bungee jumping. Sorry about that)

I have no idea if our IP regime is worse or better than anywhere else's; we do not have a tradition of crazy software patents, though, so my guess is better, not worse.

Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by yonaguska on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @09:18AM (#30778146)
Don't forget Triumph motorcycles!
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by throwaway81523 on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:51PM (#30773133)
I think the dismay is about trying to use copyright to slither around the expiration of a patent, if that is what is going on.

I like the Brompton and tried one in a shop, but decided I couldn't see springing $1400+ for one unless I was sure I would use it a lot, so I would possibly start with a lower cost folding bike and see how I liked it. That was pre-pandemic so I put the whole thing aside.

I'm not concerned about travelling with the bike. The attraction of a folder to me is just an easier time getting it in and out of an apartment for commuting purposes.

Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by fredophile on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:37AM (#30775321)
I would not recommend starting with a lower cost folding bike. When I was shopping for a folding bike 8ish years ago I tried out a bunch of different bikes. Most folding bikes feel pretty squirrely and harder to ride than a typical bicycle. Larger wheels help but then the extra size cuts down on the benefits of having a folding bike. Bromptons were the only folding bikes I tried that felt good to ride as soon as I tried them. If you start with a cheaper bike, you might get used to it but you might hate how it handles and avoid using it as a result.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by LightHugger on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:23PM (#30773351)
Copyright and patent abuse is indeed disgusting.
Re:Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage by mattl on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @08:48PM (#30773523)
100%.