Our fundamental right to shame and shun the New York Times

Re:Our fundamental right to shame and shun the New York Times by tptacek on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @06:43PM (#30772565)

Ken White agrees with you that there are disproportionate responses to speech on the Internet and, if you follow him, isn't any more amenable to struggle sessions than you are (see: his years-long advocacy of what Lukianoff is doing at FIRE).

The problem is that the NYT here managed to articulate a different, and stupid, problem: the eroding of our supposed right to speak without shame or shunning. The NYT's arguments are in a line of similar arguments that are not in fact about free speech, but rather the opposite: they purport to defend speech, but only selectively, and in the cases they don't defend, they're an appeal to shut down speech and voluntary association.

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Re:Our fundamental right to shame and shun the New York Times by coffeemug on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:10PM (#30772793)

I didn't interpret the editorial this way. I saw it as articulating a very real problem of eroding cultural norms that welcome and promote pluralism. I don't know why you say "supposed right". It's not a legal right, obviously, but in a sense people have a human right to give a talk at a university without needing a police escort.

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Re:Our fundamental right to shame and shun the New York Times by tptacek on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:15PM (#30772840)

Ken White agrees with you that you shouldn't need a police escort to give a talk at a university, and said so in this response.

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