Before the Fall of the Roman Republic

Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by throwawaylinux on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @12:34AM (#30762762)

Is xenophobia and racism getting worse? There's clearly a massive vested interest in perpetuating the idea and fearmongering that it is. But if you go back even a decade or two, democrat presidents would be considered ultra-right-wing nazi-adjacent on their rhetoric about illegal aliens and border control.

Tolerance and permissiveness seem to be rising since then as far as I can see. Although you may be referring to the troubling rise in policies of institutional racism like race discrimination in university admissions, which I agree is one obvious thing that seems to be going backwards in recent times.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by tptacek on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @01:47AM (#30763085)

I don't think you've heard any Democratic President in the last 50 years argue that we should eliminate birthright citizenship.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by throwawaylinux on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @02:21AM (#30763224)

I didn't claim to have. The concept does not exist in many western european countries that they openly admire as models to emulate though, so I'm still interested to see where you're going with this even if you aren't able to answer my question.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by tptacek on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:52AM (#30767591)

That rhetoric about immigration in the Republican party is not comparable to that of the Democratic party, even 20 years ago.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by throwawaylinux on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @02:41PM (#30769809)

I think it is very comparable. That you can pick out one difference in policy that isn't even the main one responsible for being called far-right racist xenopobic doesn't really change my point.

Even Obama was a right wing xenophobic racist nazi for suggesting the border should be secure, deporting illegal immigrants, separated and caged children. Not to mention all the other horrible stuff like claiming that marriage was between a man and a woman.

So yes I think I'm on good grounds to believe xenophobia and racism has been decreasing even within the past decade.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by tptacek on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @02:43PM (#30769840)

I'm comfortable with what my rebuttal says about your argument and am fine leaving it here.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by throwawaylinux on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @03:18PM (#30770261)

It doesn't, you just cherry picking one difference you could think of and try to claim that is the only thing that matters. That doesn't rebut my argument.

Obama absolutely would be called a racist xenophobe today based on his stated policies of border control, his mass deportation of illegal immigrants, and instances of separating immigrant children from their families. That is how far the window has shifted on this topic. Birthright citizenship doesn't change that.

So that's how far the window has shifted on the subject in a few short years. Therefore I think it is quite reasonable to question the allegation that racism and xenophobia is getting worse.

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Re:Before the Fall of the Roman Republic by tptacek on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @03:50PM (#30770621)

You're just saying the same things again. I call.

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